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Started by NBOSTI, May 18, 2024, 10:54:13 PM

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NBOSTI

O.K. So I like to transfer and save some recorded files to my Mac. Add them to my existing Library.
In order to use another player to use at later date. Infuse can handle playing back the .mkv files. although some program names are generic. So I edit Meta Data. All good.
The issue; I find that with Samba the file transfer from IceBox to Mac can take a long time, up to 2 hours or more for a movie. A 1/2 hour tv show can take over an hour.
When I used to use AFP to transfer files between systems on my network, mainly between Macs, it would only be a matter of minutes to complete.
Is Samba the only file transfer protocol  available for IceBox? Am I missing something in settings on IceBox or Mac/network?
Just seems extremely slow when my network performs fast with other transfers and streaming.

TimC

Quote from: NBOSTI on May 18, 2024, 10:54:13 PMIs Samba the only file transfer protocol  available for IceBox? Am I missing something in settings on IceBox or Mac/network?

I just use my Local Network. I found that ICEBOX appeared in the Network folder on my PC and when I opened it, I could see the Recordings folder.  The transfer was slowish, but much better than what you described.  About 4 hours to copy pretty much a Terabyte.
Icebox, Fetch box (Not IceTV Capable)

IanL-S

My recollection is that copying via SAMBA os quite swift, although I rarely use it (mainly because of flaky windows support for SMABA). I use SFTP most of the time, using various ftp clients, but mainly FileZilla. You need to enable SSH in KODI settings in the "services" tab, and set a password (not a good idea to disable password requirement).
IceTV: IceBox + BYOB IceBox + 2xTRF-2400 + 2xTF7100HDPVRtPlus + SKIPPA [RIP] + T2 + U4 + V2
No IceTV: a few Toppys and T2
Synology NAS
Check out the oztoppy wiki and oztoppy Forum for Toppy help

raymondjpg

#3
Quote from: IanL-S on May 19, 2024, 11:42:28 AMMy recollection is that copying via SAMBA os quite swift, although I rarely use it (mainly because of flaky windows support for SMABA). I use SFTP most of the time, using various ftp clients, but mainly FileZilla. You need to enable SSH in KODI settings in the "services" tab, and set a password (not a good idea to disable password requirement).
I've never seen any issues, either with SAMBA, or speed of file transfer from IceBox BYO to a Windows 11 PC. I suspect cabling or this ->Mac<-.

If wireless, then a whole other story.
Beyonwiz T2, Beyonwiz U4, IceBox BYO with Hauppauge WinTV-dualHD (x2), Hauppauge WinTV-quadHD

NBOSTI

#4
Thanks raymondjpeg, your mention of " If wireless, then a whole other story" somewhat answers the issue.
I had a wired network at my last residence, now am completely wireless due to restrictions on running cabling.
I recall that some years back, I used to connect an Apple TV directly to my (much older) Mac with an ethernet cable, still using WiFi for internet.
Had no issues then, can I run an Ethernet cable from the IceBox direct to my iMac for file transfer but maintain a WiFi connection for IceTV service?
My modem/router is quite some distance from Entertainment centre, and running e/net cables across flooring, walls and ceiling  is very inconvenient.

raymondjpg

#5
Quote from: NBOSTI on May 25, 2024, 10:03:29 PMHad no issues then, can I run an Ethernet cable from the IceBox direct to my iMac for file transfer but maintain a WiFi connection for IceTV service?
It looks possible, but tricky. See posts #8 and #9 at https://forum.libreelec.tv/thread/14921-how-to-make-some-services-use-wired-network-and-some-wireless/

Quote from: NBOSTI on May 25, 2024, 10:03:29 PMMy modem/router is quite some distance from Entertainment centre, and running e/net cables across flooring, walls and ceiling  is very inconvenient.
If you have a reasonably young house, and modern wiring, it would probably be worth looking at powerline adapters to give you just an ethernet connection for both internet and file transfer. In my experience, with an older house, data transfer rates are pretty woeful and probably not good enough for reliably streaming live TV or playing recordings via a PC. You could also try a wifi extender,but again, depending on how good they might be, could be equally limiting with regard to data transfer. I have no experience with them, but I have recently installed a wifi6 mesh system that does make a reasonable fist of data transfer over about a 15 metre distance, running in "wifi access mode" rather than as a separate router, with ethernet ports that can be used to either directly connect individual devices or a number via a router or switch. I get good performance streaming live TV or recordings from my IceBox BYO, and of course the icebox is always connected to the internet through this link.

Edit: If all you're looking for is an internet connection to update the IceBox from IceTV servers, then I think relatively cheap powerline adapters should do the job. Maybe keep the wifi mesh system on ice for when you need good wifi coverage for other devices.
Beyonwiz T2, Beyonwiz U4, IceBox BYO with Hauppauge WinTV-dualHD (x2), Hauppauge WinTV-quadHD

IanL-S

I have use Ethernet over power line (aka Home Plug) successfully in past and found it very reliable.
IceTV: IceBox + BYOB IceBox + 2xTRF-2400 + 2xTF7100HDPVRtPlus + SKIPPA [RIP] + T2 + U4 + V2
No IceTV: a few Toppys and T2
Synology NAS
Check out the oztoppy wiki and oztoppy Forum for Toppy help

MD

Yes EOP is very good though has never caught on with the general public.  Recommended by me too 👍

NBOSTI

I  had another look at my options. EOP I had looked into before and read similar about older wiring, so dismissed. Should add that my modem/router is getting on in years and not running the latest wifi.
Much prefer to be wired when possible.
I am FTTN, so have a modem / router connected to old phone port with a DSL cable.That port is in the kitchen.
Found a 20m DSL cable (low flat profile, so easy to hide) in a box so decided to try routing that, moving the modem to a more accessible location. Run ethernet to the most used devices.
Bingo. Mac and Icebox now fast transfer, under a minute as opposed to over an hour.

raymondjpg

Quote from: NBOSTI on June 01, 2024, 06:56:51 PMI  had another look at my options. EOP I had looked into before and read similar about older wiring, so dismissed. Should add that my modem/router is getting on in years and not running the latest wifi.
Much prefer to be wired when possible.
I am FTTN, so have a modem / router connected to old phone port with a DSL cable.That port is in the kitchen.
Found a 20m DSL cable (low flat profile, so easy to hide) in a box so decided to try routing that, moving the modem to a more accessible location. Run ethernet to the most used devices.
Bingo. Mac and Icebox now fast transfer, under a minute as opposed to over an hour.
Sounds like a solution, but if you ever want to look at EOP again the major determinant of whether or not it would be successful is whether or not the two adapters are on the same electrical circuit. At 20M my guess is probably not, but it all depends on how your house is wired.
Beyonwiz T2, Beyonwiz U4, IceBox BYO with Hauppauge WinTV-dualHD (x2), Hauppauge WinTV-quadHD

NBOSTI

The DSl 20m cable is actually longer than needed, the only one I had in cabling box.
I purchased it quite some years ago but found it wouldn't work in the set up I had then. No idea why.
I am no network/tech wizard, just try things out and if they work stick to it until it stops working.
Thanks for the advice on EOP. But with things now as I like I shall leave as is.