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What doe sit mean when I get the yellow triangle icon which says "series recording failure" when I hover over it? i.e. what causes a series recording to fail?


Now that's what I call service!
General Discussions / Re: Freeview
December 02, 2008, 01:38:06 PM
Here's an entertaining extract from Hansard:

Senator LUNDYâ€"What are you doing about having a TV program or TV guide that has ABC2 in it? At
the moment it is guesswork.
Mr Scottâ€"A few things. It is up to basically the newspapers to decide which channels they are going to
print a guide to, and we do ask them to run ABC2. One of the features of digital television, though, is an
electronic program guide that comes with the set-top box, or comes with the set, which gives you an indication
as to what is happening that night and what is coming up.
Senator LUNDYâ€"It is not the same as having a scrappy bit of paper folded up, stuffed down the side of
the couch, though, is it?
Mr Scottâ€"I understand that.
Senator LUNDYâ€"Not that I am an analog person or anything.
Mr Scottâ€"No, I would be the last to say that, because I was going to say we have the full program guide
on line. But also, if you look at what is happening around the world, the world is moving to electronic program
guides. I know that a feature of the Freeview set-top box that the ABC is involved in with SBS and the
commercial networks will be a set-top box which makes it easier for people to experience digital television,
and part of that will be an electronic programming guide.
Senator LUNDYâ€"Sure. Let me have one more go at you on this one: you are trying to attract people to
Mr Scottâ€"Yes.
Senator LUNDYâ€"but you are making it harder for them because they are not used to finding out about the
new TV station in digital format. Why don’t you make it easier for them by doing more? I appreciate it is not
your decision.
Mr Scottâ€"It is actually the newspapers’.
Senator LUNDYâ€"Yes. I take that point.
Mr Scottâ€"We will have to badger the newspaper editors together, Senator.
Senator LUNDYâ€"But surely it would help promote what you are doing on ABC2.
Mr Scottâ€"It would. We would be delighted. Maybe we can approach them together.
Senator MINCHINâ€"Do the editors wish to speak to you?
Mr Scottâ€"One or two. I can talk to those who still speak to me. We can go and see the Canberra Times
together, Senator.
Senator BIRMINGHAMâ€"Those that have not been retrenched.
Senator LUNDYâ€"All right. We will do that. Thank you.
Day 1 summary is here

Day 2 is here:

Historically, judgements of the Full Bench take between 3-6 months.

Peter Vogel
Quote from: tonymy01 on October 27, 2008, 11:24:29 AM
Can someone please decipher the legal mumbo jumbo here:  and give a summary on how the court case went on day 2?
Mr Vogel's blog didn't have his usual quick summary of the days proceedings either last time I checked.   

My summary of day two is here:

Peter Vogel
Quote from: machunter46 on October 18, 2008, 12:48:33 PM
How long does it usually take for the court to render a a decision ???

Many months.

I've added yesterday's hearing to my blog BTW:

Quote from: pvogel on September 25, 2008, 12:53:53 PM
P.S. The hearing will be in Canberra.

I have been at the High Court today, my report of the day's hearing of IceTV vs Nine is here:

Peter "so sue me" Vogel
I have been at the High Court today, my report of the day's hearing of IceTV vs Nine is here:

Peter "so sue me" Vogel
P.S. The hearing will be in Canberra.
I see from the Federeal Court website that a decision was handed down on Nine vs IceTV

What was the outcome?

Has it been published?


Peter Vogel
I can't find anything explaining what it is on the IceTV website.

General Discussions / Re: Muting ads
April 04, 2008, 04:40:09 PM
Well, the system worked by someone physicaly monitoring the broadcasts, for exactly the reason you identified. Sounds clunky, but it actually worked!
General Discussions / Re: Muting ads
April 03, 2008, 09:24:40 AM
Quite right - before IceTV there was ZapTV and in the early days I demonstrated a STB that had a separate volume control for the ads.  Th eearliest public demontsration of this dates back to 1994 on an ABC TV show called "Great Idea".   

Potential investors, however, did not think this was a great idea as they thought that it was a fast track to court. 

As it turned out even the humble EPG proved too much for the networks, so they were probably right.

Peter Vogel
Quote from: IcedCoffee on January 10, 2008, 09:03:48 PM
I am still not convinced that it fully translates to the general case that a "list of facts" is copyright though...

It depends on how the list of facts was compiled. Example: If you were interested in butterflies and had a theory that butterfiles which live in warmer climates have brighter colours, so you put together a list of butterflies sorted by climate preference, you have created a list of facts. Each fact on its own is not copyright but the list is, and I think most people would agree that if I've spent a lot of effort doing the work to make the list, I should have ownership of it. However if someone creates an idential list by their own efforts, good luck to them. So long as they didn't copy my list, I have no claim.  Ownership includes having the right to say you cannot copy my list, whether by hand or digitally.

General Discussions / IceTV holiday dates
December 19, 2007, 03:48:02 PM
When will IceTV offices be closing/reopening over Christmas?