It has 10 to 70 year old multi-repeated movies
It listed every copy cat lifestyle show know to man when Channel 9 re-jigged
But it omits Premiere shows like Amy Schumer and Funny As on ABC2 tonight
This happens regularly
Hi Tezza007 we seem to get a lot of complaints and it is difficult to know what to change based on your comment. If I had the coming soon list changed to include just the two shows you mention it would be a pretty short list. Unfortunately we do not have any say in what the commercial channels decide to air and the 9 rejig has caused a lot of work for shows that it is hard to imagine anyone would bother watching. Could you be more specific and give me a list of the shows that would have been useful for you to have in the Coming Soon Listing?
While Funny As isn't in the Coming Soon list, it did make it to the What's on This Weekend on Friday.
But then last weekend's What's on This Weekend listed a repeat of Undeniable.
I think all of the new lifestyle shows should be there but I assume it will calm down shortly. The main issue is missing new seasons of new or returning shows on the main channels during prime time.
Also as prl points out. Funny as made it to this weekends recommendations but surely that would prompt it to appear in coming soon.
I also don't think repeats of old movies really warrant a coming soon. In fact, I can't see why any show that is a repeat should appear in coming soon.
But whatever you are doing differently now isn't working. Coming soon was the first place I always opened when planning a week's TV. Currently it's not really reliable enough to use as the primary source.
I know that all the IceFolk have a big task still to just keep the basics running, but I'd also like to put in a word for having "Recommendations" working again in the app. My memory of it when it was working was that it had overlapping, but different, content from the "What's on" emails.
Quote from: prl on December 13, 2015, 03:24:36 PM
I know that all the IceFolk have a big task still to just keep the basics running, but I'd also like to put in a word for having "Recommendations" working again in the app. My memory of it when it was working was that it had overlapping, but different, content from the "What's on" emails.
I think it was updated 3 weeks ago after some prompting. I find the email more useful but have found it has some odd stuff on it at the moment.
Quote from: John on December 13, 2015, 01:51:34 PM
Hi Tezza007 we seem to get a lot of complaints and it is difficult to know what to change based on your comment. If I had the coming soon list changed to include just the two shows you mention it would be a pretty short list. Unfortunately we do not have any say in what the commercial channels decide to air and the 9 rejig has caused a lot of work for shows that it is hard to imagine anyone would bother watching. Could you be more specific and give me a list of the shows that would have been useful for you to have in the Coming Soon Listing?
Easy ;D
Don't include repeats [such as old movies]
Do include new shows [such as Funny As and Amy Schumer]
I didn't say to only include those 2 shows, I was pointing out that you DIDN'T include them whilst you had old repeat rubbish
I agree with your comment about the "new" 9 shows, but they were sorta new, whilst the old movies aren't
Include return [new season, not repeat] series. You partially do so now
Like prl said, Coming soon is also my first port of call every morning, but if I also didn't check the daily guide I would've missed those 2 new shows tonight and several in the past week
There's a few there also that have been in the list for I'm sure more than 6 months, such as Agent Carter
I'm sure things will get better ::)
I'm so desperate to see if Agent Carter is any good advice had a series recording for it for 6 months.
I just had a look at thee list and I am pretty sure that someone should go through them all. I just noticed "The Block:Glasshouse" That was on a few years ago (not sure which year, but definitely not this year) so it is definitely not "coming soon" I wonder how many more like that are on the list?
OTOH, I happen to know (as they have an ad on every 5 minutes) that My Kitchen Rules is "coming soon", should someone be interested in watching it.
I suppose, the point is, regardless of what we may think of a particular show, if it is something new, it should be listed - someone may be interested
A definite +1 to them cleaning it out
Get rid of all those old movies
The Block Glasshouse
RPM moment - these are just cut down repeats
Any more to add?
According to the adds, these are "Coming Soon" and would be worthwhile to have listed on IceTV:
"Wanted" Mini Series with and by Rebecca Gibney. Wanted will air on Seven in February 2016
"Molly" Mini Series about Ian "Molly" Meldrum on Seven some time early 2016
Thanks
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 14, 2015, 12:19:42 PM
A definite +1 to them cleaning it out
Get rid of all those old movies
The Block Glasshouse
RPM moment - these are just cut down repeats
Any more to add?
I'm currently not seeing
any movies, old or new, in either the Web or the Android app Coming Soon lists (ACT Canberra Guide). The Block and RPM aren't in the Coming Soon lists I see, either.
Looks like some tidying up has been done.
I'm all for affirmative action, but including the Women's Big Bash Cricket in the 'Coming Soon' list (Sat 19 Dec) and excluding the commencement of the Men's Big Bash Cricket (Thu 17 December) is being a little too proactive :)
Quote from: mkwilson on December 14, 2015, 03:15:55 PM
I'm all for affirmative action, but including the Women's Big Bash Cricket in the 'Coming Soon' list (Sat 19 Dec) and excluding the commencement of the Men's Big Bash Cricket (Thu 17 December) is being a little too proactive :)
They're being completely even-handed - Women's Big Bash in Coming Soon, and the men's Twenty/20 Big Bash in What's on This Week.
On the other hand, I'd like to applaud the updating of the Android app's Recommendations for the coming week, even though, with only four entries, it's a bit thin.
Couldn't pay me to watch either, but both should have been in coming soon
Good to see they got rid of a lot
Still a 43 year old John Lennon concert there
Another one I think should be removed from the Coming Soon list is "In The Flesh". There are only 2 seasons of this show which have both aired on SBS. According to Wikipedia there won't be a 3rd season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Flesh_(TV_series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Flesh_(TV_series))
Quote from: Mantorok on December 18, 2015, 04:15:02 PM
Another one I think should be removed from the Coming Soon list is "In The Flesh". There are only 2 seasons of this show which have both aired on SBS. According to Wikipedia there won't be a 3rd season.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Flesh_(TV_series) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_the_Flesh_(TV_series))
And the repeats aren't even coming soon. They are already being shown at the moment.
Wow, that was quick...it's already been removed!
We try to please :)
Some proactivity would be nice rather than waiting for users to post.
Hot property, Domestic Blitz, Wilfred are all currently running as repeats. I don't think there are any new shows coming soon? Maybe we haven't seen all of the US Wilfreds, but the Aussie one is old now.
This was just like The Block Glasshouse, ie an old show currently in rerun being shown as Coming Soon. So it's wrong in two ways.
Why should Coming Soon be restricted to new shows?
Surely it is an indication of upcoming shows which some of us may not have seen yet.
Quote from: Rowdy on December 18, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
Why should Coming Soon be restricted to new shows?
Surely it is an indication of upcoming shows which some of us may not have seen yet.
I agree, that is a debatable point. Maybe there is a time where if a show hasn't been on for a while, then it is warranted as coming soon when it goes into rerun. However, that would account for nearly every show on 9Life and all of the other repeat channels so where do you draw the line?
My point was as much to do with the fact that the shows I listed that are flagged as coming soon are actually currently being broadcast.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 18, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
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My point was as much to do with the fact that the shows I listed that are flagged as coming soon are actually currently being broadcast.
That's by no means new, and certainly predates IceTV II.
Similarly with shows being marked in the list as "Coming soon" for a long time before being broadcast (as is the case for Agent Carter in the present list). I'm not sure why the latter really bothers anyone. I've had Agent Carter marked to record for ages :)
Quote from: prl on December 18, 2015, 06:31:39 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 18, 2015, 06:13:45 PM
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My point was as much to do with the fact that the shows I listed that are flagged as coming soon are actually currently being broadcast.
That's by no means new, and certainly predates IceTV II.
I've never seen that before. Certainly shows appear with a start date and hang around for a week or so, but then you see when it started so that's a good thing. But these are shows that are flagged as Coming soon in the same way as Agent Carter, but in fact they started in rerun a few weeks ago. So its too late anyway.
QuoteSimilarly with shows being marked in the list as "Coming soon" for a long time before being broadcast (as is the case for Agent Carter in the present list). I'm not sure why the latter really bothers anyone. I've had Agent Carter marked to record for ages :)
Yes, me too - ie it doesn't bother me and I've set it to record.
Quote from: Rowdy on December 18, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
Why should Coming Soon be restricted to new shows?
Surely it is an indication of upcoming shows which some of us may not have seen yet.
Exactly. All this complaining about repeats being listed in coming soon is missing the purpose of the coming soon section. It is not "New Shows Coming Soon". It is for listing popular or interesting old and new shows that are airing soon and are worthy of a mention.
Coming Soon has always listed "new shows and returning shows". It is not just for new shows. A highly acclaimed movie from the '60s can be included regardless of whether it's been on before or not.
Series listed in coming soon usually don't get removed until a couple of weeks after they have started airing so people who missed the first episode or two can still discover that they are on.
Coming Soon has never listed every new show as there are too many to list them all. Instead it lists shows that we think people will find interesting or are rating well overseas.
Quote from: Rowdy on December 18, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
Why should Coming Soon be restricted to new shows?
Surely it is an indication of upcoming shows which some of us may not have seen yet.
Except that real "coming soon" shows, that are being advertised on TV as "coming soon" are NOT on the list (Molly on 7 comes to mind)
Quote from: prl on December 18, 2015, 06:31:39 PM
Similarly with shows being marked in the list as "Coming soon" for a long time before being broadcast (as is the case for Agent Carter in the present list). I'm not sure why the latter really bothers anyone. I've had Agent Carter marked to record for ages :)
Well, now you've done it! ;D Agent Carter has been removed from the list! I just went to check it out, to see why everybody is so interested in it (as much as I try to reduce,
not increase the number of shows I record as the
Man In Charge refuses to make the days longer than 24 hours) So, I now have no idea what was so special about the elusive Agent Carter :P
Ooh, just had a bit of a look... looks interesting. Seems it started last January, second season is about to start
Quote from: csutak40 on December 18, 2015, 08:04:44 PM...
Well, now you've done it! ;D Agent Carter has been removed from the list!
Sorry! :o
Quote from: csutak40 on December 18, 2015, 08:04:44 PM...
Ooh, just had a bit of a look... looks interesting. Seems it started last January, second season is about to start
You can still schedule it in advance by searching for it in the guide.
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 18, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
Quote from: Rowdy on December 18, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
Why should Coming Soon be restricted to new shows?
Surely it is an indication of upcoming shows which some of us may not have seen yet.
Exactly. All this complaining about repeats being listed in coming soon is missing the purpose of the coming soon section. It is not "New Shows Coming Soon". It is for listing popular or interesting old and new shows that are airing soon and are worthy of a mention.
You've just made it more useless than ever
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 19, 2015, 12:12:18 AM
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 18, 2015, 07:17:34 PM
Quote from: Rowdy on December 18, 2015, 06:01:19 PM
Why should Coming Soon be restricted to new shows?
Surely it is an indication of upcoming shows which some of us may not have seen yet.
Exactly. All this complaining about repeats being listed in coming soon is missing the purpose of the coming soon section. It is not "New Shows Coming Soon". It is for listing popular or interesting old and new shows that are airing soon and are worthy of a mention.
You've just made it more useless than ever
I'm not sure I quite agree with Tezza but I do find that the reality of what we have in coming soon doesn't really reflect the intention that Dave describes.
At the moment, approximately half of the shows are repeats, and almost all are reality/lifestyle shows, being shown at in the early morning or daytime. I know that reflects what is on but it has missed a lot of high quality shows (eg The Fall) that are on primetime. And why all the reality shows, there's loads of British detective shows that are being rerun and never get a mention even though if you look at what's popular with IceTV customers, that would be a good thing to list.
I also have an issue with the ones shown as Coming soon with no date. Apart from one or two, those shows have already started and some started in November.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
I'm not sure I quite agree with Tezza but I do find that the reality of what we have in coming soon doesn't really reflect the intention that Dave describes.
At the moment, approximately half of the shows are repeats, and almost all are reality/lifestyle shows, being shown at in the early morning or daytime. I know that reflects what is on but it has missed a lot of high quality shows (eg The Fall) that are on primetime. And why all the reality shows, there's loads of British detective shows that are being rerun and never get a mention even though if you look at what's popular with IceTV customers, that would be a good thing to list.
I personally don't feel that midnight, early morning or daytime shows should get listed - unless they are big sporting events. But someone who watches popular daytime soaps might disagree.
Again, I personally don't feel that reality/lifestyle shows rate a mention ever 8) But someone who watches reality/lifestyle shows might disagree.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
I also have an issue with the ones shown as Coming soon with no date. Apart from one or two, those shows have already started and some started in November.
Agreed. Once we know their start date that date should be inserted, before the show airs. And weekly shows that started more than 15 days ago should get removed from the list regularly.
So I'll just have to continue to plow through the guide every day to look for the REAL new/returning first-run shows
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 19, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
I'm not sure I quite agree with Tezza but I do find that the reality of what we have in coming soon doesn't really reflect the intention that Dave describes.
At the moment, approximately half of the shows are repeats, and almost all are reality/lifestyle shows, being shown at in the early morning or daytime. I know that reflects what is on but it has missed a lot of high quality shows (eg The Fall) that are on primetime. And why all the reality shows, there's loads of British detective shows that are being rerun and never get a mention even though if you look at what's popular with IceTV customers, that would be a good thing to list.
I personally don't feel that midnight, early morning or daytime shows should get listed - unless they are big sporting events. But someone who watches popular daytime soaps might disagree.
Again, I personally don't feel that reality/lifestyle shows rate a mention ever 8) But someone who watches reality/lifestyle shows might disagree.
It's a matter of balance rather than personal choice. Currently there is too much emphasis on daytime repeats of lifestyle shows and not enough on first run primetime drama etc. Man cannot live by bread alone, even if it is brioche.
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 19, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 08:06:18 AM
I also have an issue with the ones shown as Coming soon with no date. Apart from one or two, those shows have already started and some started in November.
Agreed. Once we know their start date that date should be inserted, before the show airs. And weekly shows that started more than 15 days ago should get removed from the list regularly.
Yes. We all know this and continue to point it out / complain about it.
We never stopped using the newspaper guide, especially the "coming up this week" part of the guide, as an additional source of information about upcoming shows.
While I don't agree with some of the complaints about "Coming Soon", it does seem to be being updated less often and less accurately than it previously was.
"Recommendations" in my Android app has been showing only a single show ("The Embassy") for several days, even though it's a series that started on 30 Nov, and which, according to the Canberra IceGuide, isn't on this coming week.
Quote from: prl on December 19, 2015, 12:07:41 PM
We never stopped using the newspaper guide, especially the "coming up this week" part of the guide, as an additional source of information about upcoming shows.
While I don't agree with some of the complaints about "Coming Soon", it does seem to be being updated less often and less accurately than it previously was.
"Recommendations" in my Android app has been showing only a single show ("The Embassy") for several days, even though it's a series that started on 30 Nov, and which, according to the Canberra IceGuide, isn't on this coming week.
Have you tried flicking left/right in the recommendations, I have fallen for that in the iOS app.
Mine is current for last week. Mekong river last Tuesday and rabbit proof fence tomorrow.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
Have you tried flicking left/right in the recommendations, I have fallen for that in the iOS app.
Yes, I have. I've been using the Android app since it came out, and Recommendations used to be quite useful.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
Mine is current for last week. Mekong river last Tuesday and rabbit proof fence tomorrow.
Mine is still doggedly stuck showing only "The Embassy". I've synched at least three times today, and it's still like that. Maybe it's a regional thing. Out in the boondocks of the nation's capital, and all that ;)
I do have the embassy for last Monday. Plus Mekong river and dateline Tuesday and then rabbit proof fence on Sunday. So maybe it is regionally based and you only get political based recommendations in Canberra.
The Mekong River isn't political? :o
And yes, I know who the presenter is, and she has actually touched on some of the politics, especially the effects of planned hydro schemes on the lower parts of the river.
Quote from: prl on December 19, 2015, 02:01:51 PM
The Mekong River isn't political? :o
And yes, I know who the presenter is, and she has actually touched on some of the politics, especially the effects of planned hydro schemes on the lower parts of the river.
And that great British bake off gets very political too ;D
My two penn'orth
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 18, 2015, 07:17:34 PMComing Soon has always listed "new shows and returning shows". It is not just for new shows.
OK, fine.
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 18, 2015, 07:17:34 PMA highly acclaimed movie from the '60s can be included regardless of whether it's been on before or not.
I don't think so. It looks to me like most of the week is taken up with repeats of what has gone before, some of which may have been highly acclaimed. I would prefer to see what is upcoming that hasn't been seen over and over again.
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 19, 2015, 03:18:28 PM
I would prefer to see what is upcoming that hasn't been seen over and over again.
+1
One of the main reasons for using IceTV, avoiding old shit and repeats
Quote from: prl on December 19, 2015, 01:54:10 PM
Mine is still doggedly stuck showing only "The Embassy". I've synched at least three times today, and it's still like that. Maybe it's a regional thing. Out in the boondocks of the nation's capital, and all that ;)
Not a regional thing as 'Coming Soon' on the website lists all the expected shows with the region is set to your region. I think you've broken the app :)
Try 'Clear Data' and 'Clear Cache' from the Android device's "Settings > Apps > Downloaded" menu.
Or try uninstalling the Android app then downloading it again.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 11:53:51 AM
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 19, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
Agreed. Once we know their start date that date should be inserted, before the show airs. And weekly shows that started more than 15 days ago should get removed from the list regularly.
Yes. We all know this and continue to point it out / complain about it.
I was stating how it's supposed to work, not necessarily how it is currently working. I am sure that the priority has been on getting the guide perfect before concentrating on get coming soon perfect.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 11:52:03 AM
It's a matter of balance rather than personal choice. Currently there is too much emphasis on daytime repeats of lifestyle shows and not enough on first run primetime drama etc. Man cannot live by bread alone, even if it is brioche.
Agreed. First run primetime shows should be the first priority.
Also any show that is good enough to make it into the weekly newsletter emails should also be included in coming soon.
I keep thinking that a personalised 'coming soon' would be great. So 'Coming Soon' would list shows based on the type of shows you normally record. Maybe one day...
Thanks Dave.
What, me, break something? :o
I tried clearing the data (which also cleared the cache), and that didn't change the Recommendations; neither did uninstalling and reinstalling the app.
My phone is currently wanting to upgrade from KitKat to Lollipop (at last!); I'll give it another go when that's done.
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 20, 2015, 01:16:19 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 19, 2015, 11:53:51 AM
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 19, 2015, 11:39:30 AM
Agreed. Once we know their start date that date should be inserted, before the show airs. And weekly shows that started more than 15 days ago should get removed from the list regularly.
Yes. We all know this and continue to point it out / complain about it.
I was stating how it's supposed to work, not necessarily how it is currently working. I am sure that the priority has been on getting the guide perfect before concentrating of n get coming soon perfect.
Making that clear instead of appearing to defend what is being done and criticising the complainers would probably result in less frustration for users and less complaints.
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 20, 2015, 01:16:37 PMAlso any show that is good enough to make it into the weekly newsletter emails should also be included in coming soon.
I probably should have made it clear that my comments regarding "Coming Soon" apply equally to the weekly newsletter emails. In other words the usefulness for me of "What's on this week" (as for "Coming Soon") is in drawing attention to upcoming new (or returning) material that I don't normally see advertised because I don't watch much live TV, and make a habit of stripping ads and relentless ABC promotional material from my TV captures before watching them.
I know that there is no accounting for taste, but the weekly newsletter lately while concentrating on food shows and documentaries has been less useful to me than in the past when it alerted me to such (my taste) worthwhile drama shows as The Fall, Fargo and Homeland. There might also be recognition of new drama from New Zealand such as the Brokenwood Mysteries and maybe even some home-grown Australian drama (not ongoing soaps) if any such does exist any more.
Quote from: prl on December 20, 2015, 01:40:37 PM
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My phone is currently wanting to upgrade from KitKat to Lollipop (at last!); I'll give it another go when that's done.
Update done. Still only getting The Embassy in Recommendations. Cleared Data/Cache, same. Uninstalled/reinstalled the app. Still the same.
Quote from: prl on December 20, 2015, 03:14:14 PM
Quote from: prl on December 20, 2015, 01:40:37 PM
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My phone is currently wanting to upgrade from KitKat to Lollipop (at last!); I'll give it another go when that's done.
Update done. Still only getting The Embassy in Recommendations. Cleared Data/Cache, same. Uninstalled/reinstalled the app. Still the same.
I get that Monday, but flick the whole screen left or right to get a couple for Tuesday and even more Wednesday. An icon on the screen is broken but apart from that looks like I get recommendations beyond what you are getting.
Mekon River, Dateline and Rabbit Proof Fence.
:-[ I forgot that you have to flick on the part of the screen that has stuff on it :-[
I can see The Embassy, The Mekong, Dateline & Rabbit-proof Fence. As with tonymy01, all the image links are broken (which means that the "flickable" part of the screen is quite small).
Quote from: prl on December 20, 2015, 04:04:44 PM
:-[ I forgot that you have to flick on the part of the screen that has stuff on it :-[
I can see The Embassy, The Mekong, Dateline & Rabbit-proof Fence. As with tonymy01, all the image links are broken (which means that the "flickable" part of the screen is quite small).
It does look like the script that is responsible for updating IcePicks on the phones was not doing the right thing, I have pushed a manual update now and will monitor over the next couple of days.
Thanks, Daniel. I can now see Recommendations for all of the coming week, starting with "Invisible Universe" and ending with the "Coming Soon" ABC New Year coverage.
I also saw one item (Friday's Peter Wright version of The Nutcracker) marked as "Top Repeat", markup that I don't think I've ever seen before. But maybe I just wasn't paying attention. But wouldn't ET also warrant that markup?
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 20, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
I keep thinking that a personalised 'coming soon' would be great. So 'Coming Soon' would list shows based on the type of shows you normally record. Maybe one day...
Nice idea Dave. Maybe something that would be easier to implement (I don't know) in a shorter time frame would be a setting somewhere were the USER can choose whether or not we want to see repeats included in the "Coming Soon" or not.
And as a follow up improvement, maybe something where we can choose to include/exclude Coming Soon shows that fall into certain timeframes, eg prime time, night time, day time? At least that would be feasible for all those shows that already have a date/time allocated to them in Coming Soon.
Just an idea or two.
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 20, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
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I keep thinking that a personalised 'coming soon' would be great. So 'Coming Soon' would list shows based on the type of shows you normally record. Maybe one day...
IceTV has been there before, but with something that really didn't work properly. I think I'd rather have what we have now than a "personalised" system that tells me about programs I already have set to record or have marked as favourites.
Quote from: prl on December 21, 2015, 11:06:51 AM
Quote from: Dave at IceTV on December 20, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
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I keep thinking that a personalised 'coming soon' would be great. So 'Coming Soon' would list shows based on the type of shows you normally record. Maybe one day...
IceTV has been there before, but with something that really didn't work properly. I think I'd rather have what we have now than a "personalised" system that tells me about programs I already have set to record or have marked as favourites.
Yes, I agree. Maybe the recommendations could be personalised but I don't think coming soon needs to be. It will be like the google ads that keep advertising things that I just bought.
The comment about recommendations that I was already recording was the actual behaviour of one instance of the old system. Then, IIRC, it was changed to remove the stuff that was already marked as being recorded or a favourite.
But it was done by getting the top 10 matches with what it thought were my preferences, then removing the stuff I'd already marked in IceTV. So instead of giving me ten recommendations, about half of which I'd already marked, it gave me half as many recommendations. ::)
I'm sure there must be a better way...
Quote from: prl on December 21, 2015, 12:26:22 PM
The comment about recommendations that I was already recording was the actual behaviour of one instance of the old system. Then, IIRC, it was changed to remove the stuff that was already marked as being recorded or a favourite.
But it was done by getting the top 10 matches with what it thought were my preferences, then removing the stuff I'd already marked in IceTV. So instead of giving me ten recommendations, about half of which I'd already marked, it gave me half as many recommendations. ::)
I'm sure there must be a better way...
You would also need a way of ignoring recommendations so that they went away permanently otherwise the same shows would keep coming back as recommendations. The Amazon type approach of "people who recorded this show also recorded that show" may work but would have limitations as it would only work retrospectively, ie there would be no data on new shows as nobody would be recording those.
A mixture of the popular and coming soon might also be good. Ie coming soon shows would appear on the recommendation list if people set series recordings on them.
The key thing I think is to try and automate the process as much as possible otherwise it becomes inconsistent, subjective and labour intensive for the icetv people. There is a lot of information on recordings in the icetv database so being able to filter the coming soon list into recommendations should be possible.
Plaudits for getting the final four episodes of Inspector Montalbano into "Coming Soon" but brickbats for not featuring it in "What's On This Week". Instead we had "Two versions of an old classic [OK it is Christmas Week], some modern movie classics [If classics then aren't they likely to be repeats?], some opinions, some laughs, some songs, some food, a pageant and lots of magic, in various forms, fill our screens [well probably not mine] this week." Where's the (not seen before) drama? Montalbano, like Wallander, is celebrated enough to have inspired a tourist industry!
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 21, 2015, 03:28:15 PM
... Wallander, is celebrated enough to have inspired a tourist industry!
Really? It always seems to be a quite dismal round Ystad on Wallander. Not to mention a murder rate to match that of County Midsomer. :D
Quote from: prl on December 21, 2015, 05:27:54 PMNot to mention a murder rate to match that of County Midsomer. :D
Nothing to match that. I am trying very hard to point out, politely, that there is quality TV around that is consistently escaping the attention of whoever puts together What's On This Week.
Quote from: prl on December 21, 2015, 05:27:54 PM
......a murder rate to match that of County Midsomer. :D
I think the island of Saint Marie would be the most dangerous place to visit 8) :o
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 21, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
... I am trying very hard to point out, politely, that there is quality TV around that is consistently escaping the attention of whoever puts together What's On This Week.
I can't disagree with that. Even in Coming Soon, I think that Montalbano is about the
only new drama with an assigned start date. As rusted-on fans, we already had a series recording set from earlier series. :)
Curiously, though, Coming Soon is now overwhelmingly SBS, despite grumbles earlier in the topic about it be overwhelmed by fluff on 9Life. Not that much of the SBS stuff there isn't fluff, but I guess that's the non-ratings season for you.
Quote from: prl on December 21, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 21, 2015, 06:02:21 PM
... I am trying very hard to point out, politely, that there is quality TV around that is consistently escaping the attention of whoever puts together What's On This Week.
I can't disagree with that. Even in Coming Soon, I think that Montalbano is about the only new drama with an assigned start date. As rusted-on fans, we already had a series recording set from earlier series. :)
Curiously, though, Coming Soon is now overwhelmingly SBS, despite grumbles earlier in the topic about it be overwhelmed by fluff on 9Life. Not that much of the SBS stuff there isn't fluff, but I guess that's the non-ratings season for you.
Hopefully the new series of The Returned will get a mention when it starts in 2 weeks.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 21, 2015, 06:38:47 PMHopefully the new series of The Returned will get a mention when it starts in 2 weeks.
I think I've probably said enough to make my point but at this stage I cannot even see the new series of The Returned in Coming Soon. At least poor old Salvo had a head start there.
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 21, 2015, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 21, 2015, 06:38:47 PMHopefully the new series of The Returned will get a mention when it starts in 2 weeks.
I think I've probably said enough to make my point but at this stage I cannot even see the new series of The Returned in Coming Soon. ...
But wouldn't having it there be just what some people have been complaining about: The Returned SBS2 22:45 Sat 26 Dec: (
S.1,Ep.1) (From France, in French) (Drama Series) (
Rpt) M(S,A,V) [from SBS guide]
The IceTV guide has it (correctly) as repeats, too.
:(
But why is the title of some episodes "The Returned (2012)" and for others just "The Returned"?
Quote from: prl on December 21, 2015, 07:07:08 PM
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 21, 2015, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 21, 2015, 06:38:47 PMHopefully the new series of The Returned will get a mention when it starts in 2 weeks.
I think I've probably said enough to make my point but at this stage I cannot even see the new series of The Returned in Coming Soon. ...
But wouldn't having it there be just what some people have been complaining about: The Returned SBS2 22:45 Sat 26 Dec: (S.1,Ep.1) (From France, in French) (Drama Series) (Rpt) M(S,A,V) [from SBS guide]
The IceTV guide has it (correctly) as repeats, too.
:(
But why is the title of some episodes "The Returned (2012)" and for others just "The Returned"?
New series starts in 2 weeks, so hopefully it will appear then. I wasn't expecting it yet, it's not Agent Carter.
IceTV staff only need to look at their own New Shows thread to find heaps of stuff to populate Coming Soon. People are posting, but it's being ignored
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 22, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
... People are posting, but it's being ignored
Two people have posted new content there in the last three weeks, both of them today.
Quote from: prl on December 22, 2015, 12:03:06 PMTwo people have posted new content there in the last three weeks, both of them today.
I count three over the past month, much of which (if not all) appears to have been ignored. I think that is the main point of the comment. Perhaps, but for apparently ignoring the posts, more might have contributed to the thread, although another point about IceTV MkII is that folks would prefer to see Ice maintaining Coming Soon for the information of its subscribers and not vice versa.
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 22, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
IceTV staff only need to look at their own New Shows thread to find heaps of stuff to populate Coming Soon. People are posting, but it's being ignored
But that's the mythical New Shows list that doesn't exist anymore and was replaced by Coming Soon :-\
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 22, 2015, 12:18:24 PM
another point about IceTV MkII is that folks would prefer to see Ice maintaining Coming Soon for the information of its subscribers and not vice versa.
I may be in the minority, but my main priority is the EPG being as accurate as possible. I don't think this task is as easy as many assume and hopefully, the recent disruptions will soon be behind us.
Quote from: prl on December 22, 2015, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 22, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
... People are posting, but it's being ignored
Two people have posted new content there in the last three weeks, both of them today.
I did mention Molly that I keep seeing advertised and another one I can't remember now :-)
Quote from: Paul55 on December 22, 2015, 02:10:43 PMI may be in the minority, but my main priority is the EPG being as accurate as possible. I don't think this task is as easy as many assume and hopefully, the recent disruptions will soon be behind us.
I don't know that you are, but I am already on record as saying that I regard Coming Soon (or New Shows rebadged) and What's On This Week as being as important to me as a subscriber as an accurate EPG and I don't think I am alone in that. Let's just say that we would all like to have as accurate and up-to-date an EPG as possible and intelligent advice as to what's upcoming on the TV.
Quote from: prl on December 22, 2015, 12:03:06 PM
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 22, 2015, 11:53:02 AM
... People are posting, but it's being ignored
Two people have posted new content there in the last three weeks, both of them today.
People have been posting new stuff since 6 weeks ago - all ignored, while they post the 18 year old Sex and The City to Coming Soon
I think I need a break, they're really starting to get to me
How is Blindspot on the list?
A new or returning show?
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 22, 2015, 08:49:06 PM
A new or returning show?
Neither. We're just about the finish the first series, it's been on every week for the last 2 or 3 months.
OK. I'm only up to the 7th of May ::)
Blindspot still has a yellow star (new show) in the main guide !?!
Quote from: mac37 on December 23, 2015, 10:26:05 AM
Blindspot still has a yellow star (new show) in the main guide !?!
It's not actually "still", it was added back in the last couple of days.
I've slept on this. :-X We all know that this time of year there isn't much to watch, there isn't even much "coming soon".
I think the trouble is that IceTV is going for quantity instead of quality.
The list is so long, full of rubbish that, should there be something there worth noting, I'll probably miss it
Actually, I happier with the longer list. What people want to record is subjective, what one person thinks is rubbish, another person will watch repeats of. I don't think coming soon should be overly curated to just have a subjective list of what's good.
My concern has always been the balance between what was on there vs what was being missed. If the price of including the shows that I want to record is that it also has to record what others want to record, then that's ok with me.
There is also a recommendations section that could be better used to highlight "good" shows.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
Actually, I happier with the longer list. What people want to record is subjective, what one person thinks is rubbish, another person will watch repeats of. I don't think coming soon should be overly curated to just have a subjective list of what's good.
My concern has always been the balance between what was on there vs what was being missed. If the price of including the shows that I want to record is that it also has to record what others want to record, then that's ok with me.
There is also a recommendations section that could be better used to highlight "good" shows.
Then maybe we would all be happier if there were two sections in "Coming Soon" - Old S%$# and New S%$#.
Can you point me to where I can find the "recommendations section"? I can find Most Popular, and I don't use smart phone apps.
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 23, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 01:00:04 PM
Actually, I happier with the longer list. What people want to record is subjective, what one person thinks is rubbish, another person will watch repeats of. I don't think coming soon should be overly curated to just have a subjective list of what's good.
My concern has always been the balance between what was on there vs what was being missed. If the price of including the shows that I want to record is that it also has to record what others want to record, then that's ok with me.
There is also a recommendations section that could be better used to highlight "good" shows.
Then maybe we would all be happier if there were two sections in "Coming Soon" - Old S%$# and New S%$#.
Can you point me to where I can find the "recommendations section"? I can find Most Popular, and I don't use smart phone apps.
I don't want the old stuff. I think the only time a repeat is worth listing is if it hasn't been on for 10/15 plus years or before digital TV. I don't think domestic blitz from 2 years ago should be flagged as coming soon. My comments where more about rubbish vs quality being very subjective.
I don't use the website so ice no idea where it is. This week's What's On email was basically the same as the recommendations for this week.
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 23, 2015, 04:22:06 PM
...
Can you point me to where I can find the "recommendations section"? I can find Most Popular, and I don't use smart phone apps.
"Recommendations" is only in the app. Previously it overlapped with, but often wasn't identical with, the What's on this Week(end) emails. The most recent one was exactly the same as the corresponding What's on this Week email.
Quote from: csutak40 on December 23, 2015, 12:52:13 PM
... We all know that this time of year there isn't much to watch, there isn't even much "coming soon". ...
Quote... if you're turning to Christmas-week television for something new, you're beyond help.
Ben Pobjie, Canberra Times TV Guide, 23/12/15.
:D
Quote from: prl on December 23, 2015, 06:10:11 PM
Quote from: csutak40 on December 23, 2015, 12:52:13 PM
... We all know that this time of year there isn't much to watch, there isn't even much "coming soon". ...
Quote... if you're turning to Christmas-week television for something new, you're beyond help.
Ben Pobjie, Canberra Times TV Guide, 23/12/15.
:D
I still miss Xmas in England when we bought the double edition of Radio Times and planned all the 2 weeks TV, what I would have to watch and what would be taped (only 3 channels made it easier but still had to miss some stuff). Xmas was the best time of the year for TV, but you couldn't go outside...
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 07:07:47 PMI still miss Xmas in England when we bought the double edition of Radio Times and planned all the 2 weeks TV, what I would have to watch and what would be taped (only 3 channels made it easier but still had to miss some stuff). Xmas was the best time of the year for TV, but you couldn't go outside...
The difference is in the climate. Winter in England and much of the US is confined to indoors, so Xmas TV should be better. Not that I recall anything much beyond carols from Kings and a raft of old movies mostly with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby. I always thought that Forbrydelsen went on forever because the Danes had little else to do at that time of year but watch TV, until a power outage of course...
Quote from: raymondjpg on December 23, 2015, 09:01:24 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 07:07:47 PMI still miss Xmas in England when we bought the double edition of Radio Times and planned all the 2 weeks TV, what I would have to watch and what would be taped (only 3 channels made it easier but still had to miss some stuff). Xmas was the best time of the year for TV, but you couldn't go outside...
The difference is in the climate. Winter in England and much of the US is confined to indoors, so Xmas TV should be better. Not that I recall anything much beyond carols from Kings and a raft of old movies mostly with Bob Hope and Bing Crosby. I always thought that Forbrydelsen went on forever because the Danes had little else to do at that time of year but watch TV, until a power outage of course...
Yes, the two Xmases are very different and I don't normally compare, but in the last 20 years I've only had one winter Xmas.
And the ratings closedown doesn't help much either.
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
Then maybe we would all be happier if there were two sections in "Coming Soon" - Old S%$# and New S%$#.
I don't want the old stuff. I think the only time a repeat is worth listing is if it hasn't been on for 10/15 plus years or before digital TV. I don't think domestic blitz from 2 years ago should be flagged as coming soon. My comments where more about rubbish vs quality being very subjective.[/quote]
Then you must be thrilled with Sex And The City being listed in Coming Soon. Only 18 years old
I did a bit of a search and found 44 new series and 70 returning series. It wasn't hard so I think they could be doing a hell of a lot better than they currently are
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 23, 2015, 09:16:12 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 04:35:52 PM
I don't want the old stuff. I think the only time a repeat is worth listing is if it hasn't been on for 10/15 plus years or before digital TV. I don't think domestic blitz from 2 years ago should be flagged as coming soon. My comments where more about rubbish vs quality being very subjective.
Then you must be thrilled with Sex And The City being listed in Coming Soon. Only 18 years old
My point was "if it hasn't been on for 10/15 plus years", not if it has been repeated every year for the last 10/15 years. So Sex in the City repeats shouldn't be listed but I'd be happy it they listed the upcoming repeats of Prime Suspect.
Something like Prime Suspect you already know about and can be easily automatically recorded if you want it without having to do anything
I still think Coming soon should be new shows, stuff we don't already know about and might very well miss if it's not pointed out
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 23, 2015, 10:34:29 PM
Something like Prime Suspect you already know about and can be easily automatically recorded if you want it without having to do anything
I still think Coming soon should be new shows, stuff we don't already know about and might very well miss if it's not pointed out
How would we know about Prime Suspect being rerun and how would I automatically record it?
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 23, 2015, 10:34:29 PM
Something like Prime Suspect you already know about and can be easily automatically recorded if you want it without having to do anything
I still think Coming soon should be new shows, stuff we don't already know about and might very well miss if it's not pointed out
How would we know about Prime Suspect being rerun and how would I automatically record it?
Well, I suppose if you set up a timer for it when it was on and didn't set it "first runs only" then it would record every time it came back on
Quote from: csutak40 on December 23, 2015, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: simoncasey on December 23, 2015, 10:39:28 PM
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 23, 2015, 10:34:29 PM
Something like Prime Suspect you already know about and can be easily automatically recorded if you want it without having to do anything
I still think Coming soon should be new shows, stuff we don't already know about and might very well miss if it's not pointed out
How would we know about Prime Suspect being rerun and how would I automatically record it?
Well, I suppose if you set up a timer for it when it was on and didn't set it "first runs only" then it would record every time it came back on
I don't think icetv existed when Prime Suspect was last on, I certainly didn't have a pvr. But what you mention is my point. I don't want to see repeats of shows in coming soon that if I wanted to watch then I probably already had series recordings for (as per Tezza's Sex in the City example, if I wanted to record that). But if it's been so long since it's been on that I wouldn't have a series recording, then I think there would be people who would want to know that is was being rerun.
So we'd end up with a list full of old repeats rather than new shows
You can set recordings for any old shows you can think of. They don't need to be on now
Good to see they've finally added about 5 of the 40+ new shows already announced by the networks
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 24, 2015, 10:59:50 AM
So we'd end up with a list full of old repeats rather than new shows
No, it doesn't have to be one or the other. We get a list of shows that are coming soon that people are interested in, which is either new shows or reruns of shows that we wont have already had series recordings for.
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 24, 2015, 10:59:50 AMYou can set recordings for any old shows you can think of. They don't need to be on now
No you can't. Only if it has been in IceTV and still exists as a series recording, which isn't the case for old shows being rerun. You would have to set up complicated keyword searches. And why would I set up a series recording for any old show I can think of, that would be hundreds of shows. It would be better if a rerun of an old classic show that hasn't been on for many years would be flagged as coming soon.
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 24, 2015, 10:59:50 AM
Good to see they've finally added about 5 of the 40+ new shows already announced by the networks
It's reasonable that shows get added once there is an idea of what channel they will be on rather than coming sometime in 2016. But, I agree there could be more.
Set new preference is quite simple
The 40+ new shows are already announced by the networks, so we know what channels they're on.
Many of those in Coming soon don't have a channel. it doesn't matter, they can still be set up to record
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 24, 2015, 03:00:43 PM
Set new preference is quite simple
So you are suggesting that I go through all of the classic TV shows from the first 30 years of my life and add a series record preference for each one on the off chance they might get rerun and that's simple?
Anyway, I'm with you ie the epg could be better and repeats of shows from last year dominating the list when new shows don't appear is frustrating but there are lots of viewers who are enjoying reruns of shows that haven't been seen for many years and I thinking is valid that they appear in coming soon.
5 minutes a day and you'd be finished in a week.
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 24, 2015, 03:47:00 PM
5 minutes a day and you'd be finished in a week.
I think we're talking at cross purposes. I don't see how I could compile a list of hundreds of classic shows and set them up in 35 minutes, it would take months to do it and only 1% of it would ever be used.
Whilst all this discussion has been going on, the icetv people seem to have tidied coming soon I to a reasonably useful state for the next few weeks.
Sorry, I remembered the 30 years as 30 shows :P
For me I can't think of a single old show I'd wanna watch. I was a mad MASH fan, never missed an episode, now I cringe when I see the poor quality and quickly jump ahead. Same goes for Black Adder, a masterpiece that I cannot re-watch. I prefer to remember the old shows as flawless rather than the rubbish they are now compared to modern stuff
Yes, the part-time work experience kid seems to have added a tiny fraction of the new shows that the networks have announced and reduced the old dates to only 3
Hmmm, which one should I record from Coming Soon?
New Show ABC New Year's Special Coming soon or
New Show New Year's Eve Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC or
New Show New Year's Eve: Family Fireworks Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC
New Show New Year's Eve: Family Spectacular Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC
The 2 fireworks shows are actually on
Quote from: Tezza007 on December 27, 2015, 12:53:59 PM
Hmmm, which one should I record from Coming Soon?
New Show ABC New Year's Special Coming soon or
New Show New Year's Eve Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC or
New Show New Year's Eve: Family Fireworks Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC
New Show New Year's Eve: Family Spectacular Thu, 31 Dec 2015 ABC
The 2 fireworks shows are actually on
Yeah, I noticed that. ;D Also noticed that there is no mention of the new X Files that, according to 10,
is coming soon :P
"The Family Law" advertised on SBS for January 16 ,a comedy about recent Asian immigrants and the adverts look like it will be amusing, isn't showing in coming soon either..
I posted a big list of new announced shows and returning shows and stated that there were over 110 announced by the networks, but they've only listed less than 10 of those
They finally got the hint and got rid of the 18 year old Sex and the City which I don't think has ever been off air in those 18 years
Still listed as Coming Soon but without a start date, despite being about to air a second episode:
Blood + Thunder: The Sound Of Alberts
The first episode was on last night on the ABC @ 21:00
Yet it's still in Coming Soon without a date
A minor quibble about "Inside Men" showing from next Tuesday on ABC. I don't think it has been screened on FTA TV in Australia, but it appears to have been screened by UKTV in 2012. If it is the same series that I had just about forgotten originally screened by BBC1 in 2012, then the IceTV Guide showing it as (Australia, English) is wrong. Like Silent Witness screening at the same time on GEM (ACT Guide) it should read (United Kingdom, English).
Thanks for the heads up. I musta missed it in Coming Soon ::)
Quote from: Tezza007 on January 01, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I musta missed it in Coming Soon ::)
This is the kind of thing that should be flagged in coming soon. A high rating, first run show at prime time on one of the main channels.
It's getting better, but there is still some ways to go.
Also, I doubt IceTV are reading this topic any more. So it may be worth starting a new topic for new shows, as much for other users as for IceTV.
Quote from: Tezza007 on January 01, 2016, 06:54:35 PM
Thanks for the heads up. I musta missed it in Coming Soon ::)
I have resorted to scanning the EPG from time to time otherwise I would have missed it. What piqued my interest at first was that it was flagged, at the end of the description but apparently in error, as an Australian drama.
Quote from: simoncasey on January 01, 2016, 08:07:22 PMThis is the kind of thing that should be flagged in coming soon. A high rating, first run show at prime time on one of the main channels.
The 2012 BBC1 production was not preceded by an earlier series, neither was there any sequel, so no chance of it being in people's My Shows lists and I agree it is the kind of thing that I would like to be able to rely on seeing in Coming Soon and What's On This Week.
I religiously scan the online TV Guide every morning, it's the only way I can be sure I'm not missing something new, returning or wrongly flagged as a repeat or Premiere
I've found What's On This Week to be more useless than Coming Soon. To me, it seems to be what some geriatric old fart wants to watch