Nice work! Can't wait to try this out tonight. ;D
Schweeet. Will get this up and running tonight.
Thanks works fine. :)
The preset padding in Record is only 2 minutes before or after. The default EPG gives up to 30 minutes each side that I have tried. 2 minutes is not enough.
OMG! I gotta go change my pants..... then install the beta ;)
Good work guys at ICE, been waiting for this to setup my media centre.
Quote from: rmn on October 23, 2009, 04:11:59 PM
The preset padding in Record is only 2 minutes before or after. The default EPG gives up to 30 minutes each side that I have tried. 2 minutes is not enough.
yeah, noticed the same. I can't change the padding after to anything more than 2 mins (can decrease it to 1 ok).
I don't really know how to tell if it's working (there's guide data, but I already had guide data from the earlier script), but all installed ok and looks good.
same, my padding maximum seems to be 2min
The epg is all working, so is everything else, now i'm just waiting for the Interactive info to come through with my shows so media centre will start recording them.... 10min without anything tho.
EDIT! Just realised i have to reschedual all my recordings for WIN7! Is there any way to just copy them from vista to win7?
Quote from: rmn on October 23, 2009, 04:11:59 PM
The preset padding in Record is only 2 minutes before or after. The default EPG gives up to 30 minutes each side that I have tried. 2 minutes is not enough.
Yes, this is true, and I have added it to the list of 'Not Working Yet' above, at this stage it is a limitation in the SDK that's being used to schedule recordings, but we will be looking at options to get this to be a more sane amount for padding.
Whats the verdict on this guy's?
Frankly I'm reluctant to try it as I never found the Vista version to be reliable (unlike XPMCE which was) - I was forever having exclamation marks appear along side shows etc and so just used VMC's own series record function with a little help from WebGuide. The lack of hard padding support was also a major PITA as my machine has 4 tuners to facilitate proper padding.
atm im using BigScreen EPG + IceGuide which also enables the additional metadata and channel logos in place of names. (which is awesome!)
If you're looking for reliability, I would say the safe bet is to avoid it while it's in Beta at the very least.
On the padding issue, can the interactive padding be disabled and use the WMC defaults?
My workaround is to record the next programme, nothing on 7/9/10 ever finishes on time. GO is generally quite good.
Quote from: mr_gimlet on October 26, 2009, 09:56:48 AM
On the padding issue, can the interactive padding be disabled and use the WMC defaults?
Good idea. The Windows7 MC padding for recording is very good.
Any chance at all we can we get an update as soon as possible to either fix or disable padding. I upgraded to the beta from the old webget & now find I'm missing 10 minutes of some shows as it seems to be "the new black" for Australian stations to run over by 10 minutes during peak times.
If you can give us a process to temp disable the padding feature of the beta that would also work!
Many thanks.
I rekon they should just cut shows off that run too long...pretty sure that would entice them to stick to the schedule
"On the padding issue, can the interactive padding be disabled and use the WMC defaults?"
+1. No need for custom padding anymore since 7MC allows more flexible padding to be set (Unlike Vista).
Quote from: grcassidy on October 27, 2009, 04:53:05 PM
"On the padding issue, can the interactive padding be disabled and use the WMC defaults?"
+1. No need for custom padding anymore since 7MC allows more flexible padding to be set (Unlike Vista).
+1. That should be an easy fix too if the IceTV programmers are having trouble getting this padding working properly.
Quote from: mr_gimlet on October 26, 2009, 09:56:48 AM
On the padding issue, can the interactive padding be disabled and use the WMC defaults?
+1
I agree Let the WMC do the job.
If IceTV do sort out the padding issue, it would be an awsome feature to be able to set the padding on a per channel basis. That way channels like ABC could be set to 5min post padding and the commercial channels could be set for 15-20 min padding. Sports (ie ONE HD) could be set to 30min or 1hr incase the game goes longer.
As it stands with the padding, recording through interactive is not useful for commercial tv, and therefore probably wont be used very much. Since a beta release is supposed to be for testing bugs etc., the padding issue will severely limit the beta test program.
Yep, I won't be installing it until I can let W7 do the padding.
I've been using the Win7 beta a couple of days now and all is going well - but we really do need the padding issue fixed - it's just not going to work without that being resolved due to the way commercial channels over run time slots
I had thought I was "dealing" with it by making the adjustment in Media Center but it turns out that even though I adjust the settings in Media Center the padding is not recognised and ICETV over rides those settings
Any timeframe for a fix?
Quote from: bodogbodog on October 29, 2009, 06:11:06 AM
I've been using the Win7 beta a couple of days now and all is going well - but we really do need the padding issue fixed - it's just not going to work without that being resolved due to the way commercial channels over run time slots
I had thought I was "dealing" with it by making the adjustment in Media Center but it turns out that even though I adjust the settings in Media Center the padding is not recognised and ICETV over rides those settings
Any timeframe for a fix?
I think i'll wait for Niall's BSE Remote extension as he is likely to use Win7's native padding options. (& BSE works so much better than Ice's native app + gives you many more features)
"BSE Remote extension"
My ears pricked up
Quote from: grcassidy on October 29, 2009, 09:23:09 AM
"BSE Remote extension"
My ears pricked up
he's done most of the dev work but is deciding how to proceed with it as there are other remote solutions coming from other vendors too. Check niall's blog for screen caps.
Just an update...
We're working on beta 2 now, and hope to have it available in the next day or two. It will have the padding feature temporarily removed, to allow you to use the padding in Win7's Media Center.
We're also working on adding the ability to use padding greater than 2 minutes, and to do padding on a per channel basis, and to do both soft and hard padding. These will hopefully be in an upcoming version.
More soon...
Russell
Thanks for the update! Any information is good information.....but that info was great!
Hooray hard padding at last!!!!
Can you also enable the extra guide meta data / images etc and provide channel logos too?
Quote from: Russell at IceTV on October 29, 2009, 01:17:23 PM
Just an update...
Not "just an update" - that is really great news! - looking forward to beta 2!
Not going to touch this until padding is fixed.
Seriously - I dont want Icetv to be doing anything with padding... Icetv is an EPG - and thats what you should concentrate on. W7 has improved its soft and hard padding functionality over Vista - both in scope of things like whenever possible and always, and the time increments have increased dramatically.
Interactive adds complexity unneccessarily - and so far just introduced problems. I want an EPG, and just an EPG. I can live with the padding in W7 - and guess what it works. If interactive comes along and stuffs up start and stop times - who do we blame... Microsoft will say its Ice, Ice says it Microsoft - the arrows point to each others shield and us poor users get frustrated.
Keep it simple.
Dont play with things you dont understand.
Interactive with 2 mins padding is absolutely useless in Australia - and we all know it.
Quote from: impact on October 29, 2009, 09:27:38 PM
Interactive with 2 mins padding is absolutely useless in Australia - and we all know it.
and that's why they've said they'l fix it
We may need to exercise a little patience - it is a beta process we're in......
nice one lads. coming along nicely.
been using ice tv for quite some time, selling it also many a time in my store. just reformatted new pc using windows 7 and installed beta.
was all good with one tuner card, "22 channels loaded succesfully" or something like that, however when i installed second tuner card, i rescanned channels then reloaded ice tv, same as first time. this time "2 devices loaded" comes up in the status however nothing in the guide... Any ideas? Running to Leadtek DTV1000S cards...
Cheers for the good work!
Quote from: impact on October 29, 2009, 09:27:38 PM
W7 has improved its soft and hard padding functionality over Vista - both in scope of things like whenever possible and always, and the time increments have increased dramatically.
I tend to agree with Impact on this point - leave the padding to Windows7. It's significantly improved over Vista, both with the type of padding and the length of time you can specify.
Of course, options are good, so if you do include padding later on can you also leave the option to use 7MC's default padding.
Quote from: dgaust on October 30, 2009, 11:15:27 AM
Quote from: impact on October 29, 2009, 09:27:38 PM
W7 has improved its soft and hard padding functionality over Vista - both in scope of things like whenever possible and always, and the time increments have increased dramatically.
I tend to agree with Impact on this point - leave the padding to Windows7. It's significantly improved over Vista, both with the type of padding and the length of time you can specify.
Of course, options are good, so if you do include padding later on can you also leave the option to use 7MC's default padding.
I too agree, also leave the series creation to 7MC also, just create the series and maintain it in 7MC - most of the problems I had with IceInt-Vista (and why I ditched it) centered around Ice creating once off shows every single time - IceInt should be using 7MC's options only, no silly jiggery pokery!!!
That includes per channel padding settings, 7MC doesn't support it natively so dont try to be too clever - allow for padding to be set per series with a global default as these are supported by 7MC.
Ive been a user of IceTV with Vista MCE. Its a great product and while it can be a bit tedious sometimes to setup, once its up and running it works a treat!
I recently did a clean install of Windows 7 to try out the media center functionality, amazingly all the guide listings worked automatically before installing IceTV.
I'd like to know what advantages IceTV now gives me over vanilla Windows 7. I know there is the interactive portal etc, but is it different data and what are the main benefits?
Aside from all the extra features ice bring to the party, the data quality is far superiour to the eit data - if you want to use series records then eit data is far poorer quality and less reliable as a result.
Quote from: yourown on November 02, 2009, 03:43:26 PM
I'd like to know what advantages IceTV now gives me over vanilla Windows 7. I know there is the interactive portal etc, but is it different data and what are the main benefits?
suggest you read this http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-media-center-software/39813-windows-7-includes-basic-epg-standard.html#post274360 (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-media-center-software/39813-windows-7-includes-basic-epg-standard.html#post274360) and this http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/icetv-discussion/39986-why-do-i-have-extend-my-icetv-subscription.html (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/icetv-discussion/39986-why-do-i-have-extend-my-icetv-subscription.html)- you get what you pay for!
Hi Guys,
Any news on the Beta 2 without the Padding?
I'm really digging the Beta so far, but with only 2 minutes padding, I'm constantly missing the end of *shudder* Home and Away, and my better half is extremely stroppy.
Help me out!
Same here, it's all working perfectly. Only thing is the padding issue. Apart from that and a couple of tiny little things that don't really effect anything, the beta is working perfectly.
Quote from: Phattchoo on November 02, 2009, 10:48:03 PM
I'm really digging the Beta so far, but with only 2 minutes padding, I'm constantly missing the end of *shudder* Home and Away, and my better half is extremely stroppy.
As a workaround for a few days, I'm just recording the next programme that's on after whatever I'm recording. Doing it on a day by day basis through interactive.
On 2 min padding issue....
I've noticed that there's a registry key which contains the padding details (e.g. value = 2 for 2 minute padding).
What would happen if one set this key manually to say 10?? (or may delete the keys altogether...)
I will give this a go myself later today and report back.
Could this be a workaround until this issue is fixed or just cause havoc?
Quote from: Svantegorm on November 04, 2009, 11:36:02 AM
On 2 min padding issue....
I've noticed that there's a registry key which contains the padding details (e.g. value = 2 for 2 minute padding).
What would happen if one set this key manually to say 10?? (or may delete the keys altogether...)
I will give this a go myself later today and report back.
Could this be a workaround until this issue is fixed or just cause havoc?
This wont work, as I said earlier the interface we are using only supports a maximum of 2 minutes of padding (even though windows 7 supports more internally) and if you enter anything higher than this the adding of the recording to Media Center fails.
Thanks Daniel.
Any updates on the next release? The padding issue warrants an interim release in itself since the rest of the beta is performing so well.
Keep up the good work.
Quote from: Svantegorm on November 04, 2009, 11:53:43 AM
Any updates on the next release? The padding issue warrants an interim release in itself since the rest of the beta is performing so well.
Totally agree. If the padding issue was fixed it'd be totally usable as even though my Interactive is showing a failed recording it's still being recorded however it's of no use as the ends missed.
I understand this is beta and I can fall back on my Mythbox for now.
It seems to be coming along nicely.
Cheers
Craig
very silly to upset/lose customers over such a trivial issue...
either release a new version which disables padding or update us on when the new beta is coming.
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Question: On the IceTV website, under My Account - latest EPG fetch does not update. Does anyone else have this issue as well? I'm definitely getting new data every day....
Just auto updated to the new version it works great now that you can opt to use the W7 padding.