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The following items should now be fixed:

• Cast list. On the program details pages, you can use the left and right arrow keys to move between the pages "synopsis", "actions", and "other showings". There's now a 4th page called "cast + crew", which contains actors and directors for the program.  Since we used to put this information at the end of the description, not all programs will have a "cast + crew" page yet, but our guide team is working on moving the data so it appears on this new page for more programs in the future. We also plan on including more data in the future, since Windows 7 also supports Writers, Guest Actors, and Producers.
• Recording shows that are serial but not episodic. Like news programs, or shows like Neighbours that don't have episodes. These programs should now work correctly with series recordings, and all episodes should get recorded instead of just the first one.
• Ability to create a series recording for a program. Some programs such as Lipstick Jungle and Desperate Housewives didn't allow you to create a series recording for them. This is now fixed.

NOTE: this is a fairly major change in the way we create the Windows 7 guide, and we've found that Windows 7's Media Center doesn't like it when you load the guide in this new format over the top of the old format guide you're currently using.  In some cases it seems to overwrite it with the new data, and in other cases it doesn't.  The only way we've been able to successfully convert Media Center to the new format to fix the problems above is to reset Media Center back to the factory defaults and then load the new guide data in from scratch.  This means you'll need to run a command to do the reset, and then go through the Media Center setup again, to let it find your tuners and scan for channels.  After that, you can load the new guide data and create your series recordings again.  We know, this is a pain, and we'd love to find a way around this, but I'm afraid this is the best solution we've been able to find so far.  Media Center for XP and Vista seem to be fine with overwriting the old format data with the new format, but Windows 7 doesn't like it.

Because this is such a big change, we'd like to get a few guinea pigs brave beta testers to try it out first, before we change everyone over to the new format.  If you'd like to give it a try (and we hope you will), the directions are listed below.  Basically you'll be doing the reset mentioned above, and then changing the batch file that pulls down the guide data so that it pulls it from a different program on our server, in the new format.  If all goes well, we'll eventually start using the new format in the normal program on our server, so everyone will get it.  At that time, everyone will need to do the reset.  But we'll give notice here before we do it.

Instructions for switching to the new format guide data, to fix the problems listed above:

Short version for advanced users:

• Close Media Center and reset its database: run the following in an administrator Command Prompt window, from the c:\windows\ehome directory: mcupdate.exe -MediaCenterRecoveryTask
  
  UPDATE: It's been suggested (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/259468-post145.html) that if you have a 64-bit machine, there's a safer way to do this:
  • Go to Control Panel / System and Security / Administrative Tools / Schedule tasks.
  • Open Task Scheduler Library / Microsoft / Windows, then click "Media Center".
  • Right click "MediaCenterRecoveryTask" and select "Run".
  
  
• Start Media Center and go through the Live TV Setup again, including scanning for channels.
• Change epg to epg3 in the webget command, in the batch file "load_icetv_epg.bat", and then run the file to load the guide data in the new format.
• Edit the channels, create manual mappings to "-IceTV" channel names if necessary, and re-create series recordings.

Long version for everyone else:

• First you need to reset Media Center's database (thanks to dgaust for posting the instructions (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1819.0)):
     
  
     
  • Close the Media Center window if it's running.
  • Open an Administrator Command Prompt. Go to Start / All Programs / Accessories, right-click on "Command Prompt", and select "Run as administrator. This will open a black Command Prompt window.
  • Type the following command and then press Enter, to change to the Media Center directory (assuming it's on your C drive): cd c:\windows\ehome
  • Type the following command and then press Enter: mcupdate.exe -MediaCenterRecoveryTask
    
    UPDATE: It's been suggested (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/259468-post145.html) that if you have a 64-bit machine, there's a safer way to do this:
    • Go to Control Panel / System and Security / Administrative Tools / Schedule tasks.
    • Open Task Scheduler Library / Microsoft / Windows, then click "Media Center".
    • Right click "MediaCenterRecoveryTask" and select "Run".
  
  
• Start Media Center and do the TV setup:
     
  
     
  • The following message will be displayed: "Windows Media Center experienced a serious problem. Before you can use Windows Media Center, you must run the Windows Media Center Setup again." Select OK, then select Continue, and then "Express".
  • Under "TV" select "Live TV Setup".
  • Confirm that the region is Australia and select "Yes, use this region to configure TV services" then select Next.
  • Enter a postcode and select Next.
  • Select I Agree and then Next.  Then repeat: select I Agree and then Next.
  • Media Center will then download TV setup data, and then say, "Downloadable Guide Not Available".  Select Next.
  • If asked, choose your signal type (generally Antenna), then select Next.
  • If asked if using a set top box select the correct answer (generally No), then select Next.
  • If asked, select the TV Signal Type (generally Digital Antenna (DVB-T)), then select Next.
  • If asked if you want to set up another TV signal select the correct answer (generally No), then select Next.
  • The channel scan will then start automatically.
  • When the channel scan is complete, select Next.
  • Select Finish to confirm that the signal setup is complete.
  
  
• Change the batch file to load the guide data in the new format:
     
  
     
  • This assumes you've already downloaded the zip file from the initial Windows 7 Readme post (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1625.0) and extracted the batch file.
  • Use Notepad to open the file "load_icetv_epg.bat"
  • Change epg in the following line to epg3:
          webget.exe "http://iceguide.icetv.com.au/cgi-bin/epg3/iceguide.cgi?op=mxfguide" -u USERID -p PASSWORD -o icetv_epg.mxf
    Then save the file and close Notepad.
       
• Double-click the batch file to run it and load the new format guide data. This will run webget to download the guide data and load it into MCE.  This can be done with Media Center running or not, so there's no need to shut it down first. Important: be sure you've done the channel scan mentioned above before loading the guide data.
  
  


• Then follow the rest of the instructions from the initial Windows 7 Readme post (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1625.0):
     
  
     
  • Check the channel mappings for guide listings:
    In Media Center, go to Tasks / Settings / TV / Guide / Edit Channels.  Take a look at all the channel names.  They should end with "-IceTV" when they're correctly mapped to IceTV listings.  For example, if you have a channel with the scanned name "ABC1", it should show up here as "ABC1-IceTV".  If it doesn't, see below for how to map it manually.  Be aware that in some cases such as with regional channels, it might create a new channel that you don't actually have.  For example, in Adelaide, 7 Digital can be on both 6 and 7, and you'll probably see "7 Digital-IceTV" for both of these channel numbers.  If you only get a TV signal on channel 7, you'll want to uncheck 6 to hide it.  If you're not sure, go to the TV guide (use the green button as as shortcut) and see if you actually have a TV signal on all the listed channels.
       
  • If any of your channels aren't already mapped to the IceTV listings, you'll need to map them manually:
         
    
         
    • First, make a note of the original channel name as it was scanned by Media Center. 
    • Then click the channel name to go to the settings page.  For example, when mapping channel 2 for ABC1, the title of the settings page would be "Settings for 2 ABC1". 
    • Then click "Edit Listings" to go to the page titled "Channel 2 Listings". 
    • There should be a list of channel names in the lower right part of the screen.  Scroll down until you find the channel name you're working on, but with "-IceTV" at the end of it.  In this current example, we'd look for "ABC1-IceTV" (sometimes you have to scroll down further than you think, but they should be in alphabetic order unless you've clicked "Sort by Number" on the left side).  If you don't find the one you need, then something's wrong.  Skip down to the section below named "Help! It's not working!". 
    • If you find it, click to select it, and it should take you back to the page titled "Settings for 2 ABC1".  On this page, look for the "Channel listing" and make sure the name still has "-IceTV" in it.  In this example the "Channel listing" value would be "ABC1-IceTV".  If it doesn't end in "-IceTV", try editing the listings again.
       

Good luck, and let us know how it goes. :)

Russell

Any idea when you will have the Interactive features supported under win7?

Quote from: gleggate on July 09, 2009, 10:40:33 AM
Any idea when you will have the Interactive features supported under win7?

Sorry, we don't have an ETA on that yet.

Russell

I have loaded the new EPG into RC7100 x64.

The first thing to note is that you cant reset the database if you are running Win7 x64 because the reset function is broken in WIN 7 RC 7100- 72xx. You will need to either restore your system or reinstall windows if you do.   

The only solution that seems to work is Dumsum's suggestion here: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/big-screen-software/37329-big-screen-epg-v0-4-discussion-support-thread-2.html

I did this on x64 and found that everything seems to work smoothly. The channels were perfectly mapped. And the schedules for series recording seems to work!  I will follow up with another post in a day or so when I have observed this for a bit longer.

Thanks for fixing this Russell!

Quote from: hamping on July 10, 2009, 12:23:17 AM
The first thing to note is that you cant reset the database if you are running Win7 x64 because the reset function is broken in WIN 7 RC 7100- 72xx. You will need to either restore your system or reinstall windows if you do.

That's strange, I didn't know about that problem.  But actually we tested it on a 64-bit machine running build 7100, and the reset worked as I described in my post.  Maybe there's a particular setup that causes it to happen.  Do you have any more info on that?

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I did this on x64 and found that everything seems to work smoothly. The channels were perfectly mapped. And the schedules for series recording seems to work!  I will follow up with another post in a day or so when I have observed this for a bit longer.

Thanks for fixing this Russell!

Great news!  Let us know how it goes...

Russell

I believe that it may be a bug in the later x64 builds that is causing the issue. It's been noted by MS and the workaround is contained in this post (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/big-screen-software/37329-big-screen-epg-v0-4-discussion-support-thread-13.html#post259468) over at xpmediacentre.com.au. Simply deleting the .db file is not recommended as it leaves some other things hanging.

The workaround basically means open the task scheduler and running the reset task manually through there. This runs the task under the system user account, which should fix the problem.

The 32 bits versions don't have this issue.

Quote from: dgaust on July 10, 2009, 09:17:10 AM
I believe that it may be a bug in the later x64 builds that is causing the issue. It's been noted by MS and the workaround is contained in this post (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/big-screen-software/37329-big-screen-epg-v0-4-discussion-support-thread-13.html#post259468) over at xpmediacentre.com.au.

Thanks for that.  I've updated the top post in this thread with that information.

Russell

Thanks Russell

I followed the steps to remove the old guide info and re-add the new guide.  Worked perfectly without a hitch and now my scheduled recordings look like they are working fine.

Thanks for getting it fixed.

Kev

Russell

I wonder if you have any ideas on this one.

While IceTV was fixng the data for Win 7, I had been passing Ice TV data through the Big Screen EPG program. The differnce I now notice going back to the feed direct form Ice TV I am not getting any cover art for programs and meta data from AMG on movies etc.  Is there an easy explanation for this?

Where do I download IceTV for Windows 7? ???

Quote from: hamping on July 10, 2009, 10:49:44 PM
Russell

I wonder if you have any ideas on this one.

While IceTV was fixng the data for Win 7, I had been passing Ice TV data through the Big Screen EPG program. The differnce I now notice going back to the feed direct form Ice TV I am not getting any cover art for programs and meta data from AMG on movies etc.  Is there an easy explanation for this?

BSE injects this information for you. It's not part of the IceTV guide data.

The meta-data for movies from AMG most likely disappeared because the MCE reset will have set the GeoISO2 registry key back to AU from US. Sometimes MCUpdate will also set it back. You can use this (http://www.supernerd.com.au/~dgaust/keepgeo.exe) app I created to monitor the registry key and if it changes from US to something else, it will change it back. Just drop it in your startup folder.

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BSE injects this information for you. It's not part of the IceTV guide data.

The meta-data for movies from AMG most likely disappeared because the MCE reset will have set the GeoISO2 registry key back to AU from US. Sometimes MCUpdate will also set it back. You can use this (http://ftp://www.supernerd.com.au/public_html/keepgeo.exe) app I created to monitor the registry key and if it changes from US to something else, it will change it back. Just drop it in your startup folder.

Thanks. The URL you gave above seems to have a problem. Could you repost it?

When you talk about BSE injecting data, are you talking about the cover art for normal TV programs? If it is doing this, seems like a good thing for ICE Tv to put on the to do list....

There seems to be a problem with series finales.  For example next weeks castle, I have a series recording setup which is recording tonights episode quite happily and not matching the next weeks final episode.  Only thing that I can think of is the title change, normal episode called "Castle" and next week it is "Castle - Season Finale".

I noticed the same behavior the other week with the 7 show "Thank God You're Here" with the same results.

Adam

Sounds like it's EIT data mixed in. That's something the broadcasters do, IceTV wouldn't change the title of the show for a finale because it would screw up season recordings.

Quote from: hamping on July 11, 2009, 09:13:24 PM
Thanks. The URL you gave above seems to have a problem. Could you repost it?

I've fixed the link in the above post.

Quote from: hamping on July 11, 2009, 09:13:24 PMWhen you talk about BSE injecting data, are you talking about the cover art for normal TV programs? If it is doing this, seems like a good thing for ICE Tv to put on the to do list....

Yes, I am, as well as the ability to add logo's to the guide grid.  It is possible for IceTV to add images and guide logos, however that might throw up various copyright issues so it'd be something that their lawyers would need to consider.

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Yes, I am, as well as the ability to add logo's to the guide grid.  It is possible for IceTV to add images and guide logos, however that might throw up various copyright issues so it'd be something that their lawyers would need to consider.

IF Big Screen can do it, presumably ICE Tv can too.., but then Big Screen hasn't been to the high court on a copyright case yet!

b.t.w, the the Geo code hack hasn't resulted in any AMG data popping up for me. Is there anything else to do other than that. Do you need to install MC after changing the value, or can you simply rely on mcupdate.exe -uf ?

Quote from: hamping on July 12, 2009, 10:52:13 PM
Yes, I am, as well as the ability to add logo's to the guide grid.  It is possible for IceTV to add images and guide logos, however that might throw up various copyright issues so it'd be something that their lawyers would need to consider.
IF Big Screen can do it, presumably ICE Tv can too.., but then Big Screen hasn't been to the high court on a copyright case yet!
b.t.w, the the Geo code hack hasn't resulted in any AMG data popping up for me. Is there anything else to do other than that. Do you need to install MC after changing the value, or can you simply rely on mcupdate.exe -uf ?

there's no 'yet' about it... "big screen epg" (or any other big screen product) doesn't sell, infringe on (or give away) anyone else's copyrighted material. Also there's lots of additional code and smarts in big screen epg to fix up and enhance bad/incomplete epg data (being able to view the proper movie metadata is just one of these benefits) - and gives you control over the full set of features in win7 media center epg (beware of cheap AND expensive imitations)..  ;)

Quote from: dgaust on July 12, 2009, 07:57:34 PM

Quote from: asummerf on July 12, 2009, 06:54:41 PM
There seems to be a problem with series finales.  For example next weeks castle, I have a series recording setup which is recording tonights episode quite happily and not matching the next weeks final episode.  Only thing that I can think of is the title change, normal episode called "Castle" and next week it is "Castle - Season Finale".

Sounds like it's EIT data mixed in. That's something the broadcasters do, IceTV wouldn't change the title of the show for a finale because it would screw up season recordings.

Yes, that's right, it sounds like the over-the-air EIT guide data mixed in.  I just checked, and we only have one series called Castle, and the finale has the same name, with the episode "A Death in the Family".

You might want to disable the EIT data on your IceTV channels.  I just now added this tip to the first Windows 7 EPG Beta Readme (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1625) post at the top of this board:

Tip: Disable EIT guide data
Once you get the IceTV guide data working, you won't need (or want) the limited guide data that's sent over the air with digital channels.  Here's how to disable it:

• Go to Tasks / Settings / TV / Guide / Edit Channels.
• Click one of the channel names that you've enabled with a check mark (for example: ABC1-IceTV).
• Click "Edit Listings", and then click "Disable Inband".  Then click Save, and then Save again, to take you back to the Edit Channels page.
• Repeat for each enabled IceTV channel, then click Save on the Edit Channels page when done.

Tell us more about this Big Screen EPG.  Is this the ultimate EPG solution and a should be incorporated into the mix to get most out of the MCE configs ?

Quote from: NiallG on July 13, 2009, 02:02:28 AM

Quote from: hamping on July 12, 2009, 10:52:13 PM
Yes, I am, as well as the ability to add logo's to the guide grid.  It is possible for IceTV to add images and guide logos, however that might throw up various copyright issues so it'd be something that their lawyers would need to consider.
IF Big Screen can do it, presumably ICE Tv can too.., but then Big Screen hasn't been to the high court on a copyright case yet!
b.t.w, the the Geo code hack hasn't resulted in any AMG data popping up for me. Is there anything else to do other than that. Do you need to install MC after changing the value, or can you simply rely on mcupdate.exe -uf ?

there's no 'yet' about it... "big screen epg" (or any other big screen product) doesn't sell, infringe on (or give away) anyone else's copyrighted material. Also there's lots of additional code and smarts in big screen epg to fix up and enhance bad/incomplete epg data (being able to view the proper movie metadata is just one of these benefits) - and gives you control over the full set of features in win7 media center epg (beware of cheap AND expensive imitations)..  ;)

Quote from: muzzakus on July 13, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
Tell us more about this Big Screen EPG.  Is this the ultimate EPG solution and a should be incorporated into the mix to get most out of the MCE configs ?

See the thread here: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/big-screen-software/37329-big-screen-epg-v0-4-discussion-support-thread-14.html

It's beta software.  Seems from the post above that ICE Tv can, subject to any legal issue, provide a lot of the full meta-data smarts in its native feed to WIN 7 - if they want to. Its just a question of implementation.

Big Screen would be essential if you were trying to process feeds from hundreds of disparate sources and needed to organise all that information. But ICE Tv only has to deal with a few Free To Air stations in Aus, so they should easily be able to apply all relevant data for WIN 7 directly into their feeds....most of it is already there as far as I can see...

Quote from: hamping on July 14, 2009, 12:04:15 AM

Quote from: muzzakus on July 13, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
Tell us more about this Big Screen EPG.  Is this the ultimate EPG solution and a should be incorporated into the mix to get most out of the MCE configs ?

See the thread here: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/big-screen-software/37329-big-screen-epg-v0-4-discussion-support-thread-14.html

It's beta software.  Seems from the post above that ICE Tv can, subject to any legal issue, provide a lot of the full meta-data smarts in its native feed to WIN 7 - if they want to. Its just a question of implementation.

Big Screen would be essential if you were trying to process feeds from hundreds of disparate sources and needed to organise all that information. But ICE Tv only has to deal with a few Free To Air stations in Aus, so they should easily be able to apply all relevant data for WIN 7 directly into their feeds....most of it is already there as far as I can see...

Hi to try and answer those q's above :

Everything to do with Windows 7 / EPG is regarded as 'Beta' software because Windows 7 itself is still in beta (and may change at any point up until RTM release). Also - the importing of EPG's itself is not a 'supported' or 'guaranteed to work' scenario by Microsoft (and the disclaimers on the technical docs released by Microsoft emphasize this) - so this always invokes uncertainty - and "beta" and "use at own risk" type statements are made by all concerned.

In terms of bse vs icetv's win7 solution (not their standalone xmltv feed) - my take is that BSE is designed to work 'with', 'enhance' and 'fix' data from IceTV XMLTV feed (not the ictv win7/mxf feed) - as well as other sources. It should be used 'with' the epg provider: ie. I'm not trying to 'replace' icetv, oztivo or any elses core business of supplying the epg data (and this is why when you setup BSE there's a quick configuration option and presets for icetv xmltv feeds) - nor am I trying to replace or compete with any XMLTV Downloader products (such as the one provided by epgstream).

The architectural difference between the two solutions (again referring to icetv's win7 solution - not their raw xmltv feed) - is that BSE is a locally installed application (with it's own Windows User Interface) - that does the processing of downloaded data locally - and provides the end user a lot of configuration options - giving you power to do stuff like import channel logo's etc. For example - I don't provide any actual channel logo files - but instead give you the ability to assign channel logos to epg channels as part of the processing (if you've downloaded these logos from somewhere - or created them yourself). Also - when bse detects common metadata issues in the XMLTV (such as the ones preventing AMG Movie data etc appearing) - it will proactively fix these problems up when it runs. As the BSE product is updated very regularly - with new versions appearing quite often (and often within days/hours of a problem being raised) - then you again can benefit from that control over the processing and imported data.  Because it isn't being done all online (and locked in) - user controlled deployment of bse products updates can be pushed out a lot more easily at user discretion. (ie. icetv needs to be 100% sure of ramifications before they can change anything their feed as it will instantly impact every single user without end user being able to choose this).

In the case of the icetv win7 solution - they do all the processing at their end - and give you the final mxf file to import (so there's no configuration points for you - other than nominating your state/channels online). This works to a point (if they are getting the data 100% correct and providing all the metadata you want - neither I believe is the case right atm) - but if there's an issue (ie. unique episode problems for series recordings) - or a copyright/ip issue with supplying some metadata (as is providing actual channel logos) - you can't do anything about it until they sort the problem on their servers. While I'm sure some of these problems will get sorted over time - generally I've noticed an extremely long lead time to get things fixed up at icetv (due to many reasons such as the way they collect/enter/store and distribute their data).

Both solutions (bse and icetv) are also heading towards providing additional features in the realms of remote web and mobile phone based recording for Windows 7 (as is Microsoft themselves via Live Mesh and Web Guide ) - so the functionality offered there is also a differentiating factor. (I've made some announcements / blog posts already on what I'm intending with BSE - not sure where anyone else is with their solution)

Hope that helps answer those questions.   :)

Also - without meaning to hijack this thread or use it as a soapbox to spruik BSE - it would be good to actually get some co-operation from icetv with their xmltv (and other metadata). So far they have been pretty much unresponsive and difficult with issues relating to integrating their feeds into BSE / 7MC - and I've had to sort out 99% of icetv metadata related issues on my end (which is a bit frustrating seeing as I'm fully encouraging users to still use their epg service and trying to enhance that experience). In fact - quite ironically the only correspondance I have received from icetv in past few months is that latest 'refer a friend' bulk email which started with the line 'As a small Aussie company in a land of media giants, we often get pushed around and are overshadowed by the bigger boys as most people know.  '....  ??? ???

Anyhow - if you've got any q's about Big Screen EPG etc - please visit the abovementioned threads for more. If you want to use both products together - and you want to help make that experience as nice and workable as possible - then please contact icetv and tell them so (and hopefully encourage them to actually answer/follow up my emails to them over past few months).

cheers
Niall

Quote from: NiallG on July 14, 2009, 12:23:39 PM

Quote from: hamping on July 14, 2009, 12:04:15 AM

Quote from: muzzakus on July 13, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
Tell us more about this Big Screen EPG.  Is this the ultimate EPG solution and a should be incorporated into the mix to get most out of the MCE configs ?

See the thread here: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/big-screen-software/37329-big-screen-epg-v0-4-discussion-support-thread-14.html

It's beta software.  Seems from the post above that ICE Tv can, subject to any legal issue, provide a lot of the full meta-data smarts in its native feed to WIN 7 - if they want to. Its just a question of implementation.

Big Screen would be essential if you were trying to process feeds from hundreds of disparate sources and needed to organise all that information. But ICE Tv only has to deal with a few Free To Air stations in Aus, so they should easily be able to apply all relevant data for WIN 7 directly into their feeds....most of it is already there as far as I can see...

Hi to try and answer those q's above :

Everything to do with Windows 7 / EPG is regarded as 'Beta' software because Windows 7 itself is still in beta (and may change
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icetv and tell them so (and hopefully encourage them to actually answer/follow up my emails to them over past few months).

cheers
Niall

This sounds totally awesome.  Don't have time to to read the Beta thread so I'll be one of those gys that comes out and shoots without doing their homework....


I'm happy to pay for quality EPG data with ICE.  The Q is, Can Big Screen EPG software directly download the xml directly from ICE at scheduled intervals with my credentials, and do it's fixing and enchncing all in the one integrated cycle.  This would be the ideal no?   Why double handle the process with multiple layers if not needed.

Quote from: muzzakus on July 14, 2009, 04:19:50 PM

Quote from: NiallG on July 14, 2009, 12:23:39 PM

Quote from: hamping on July 14, 2009, 12:04:15 AM

Quote from: muzzakus on July 13, 2009, 06:32:54 PM
Tell us more about this Big Screen EPG.  Is this the ultimate EPG solution and a should be incorporated into the mix to get most out of the MCE configs ?

See the thread here: http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/big-screen-software/37329-big-screen-epg-v0-4-discussion-support-thread-14.html

It's beta software.  Seems from the post above that ICE Tv can, subject to any legal issue, provide a lot of the full meta-data smarts in its native feed to WIN 7 - if they want to. Its just a question of implementation.

Big Screen would be essential if you were trying to process feeds from hundreds of disparate sources and needed to organise all that information. But ICE Tv only has to deal with a few Free To Air stations in Aus, so they should easily be able to apply all relevant data for WIN 7 directly into their feeds....most of it is already there as far as I can see...

Hi to try and answer those q's above :

Everything to do with Windows 7 / EPG is regarded as 'Beta' software because Windows 7 itself is still in beta (and may change
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icetv and tell them so (and hopefully encourage them to actually answer/follow up my emails to them over past few months).

cheers
Niall

This sounds totally awesome.  Don't have time to to read the Beta thread so I'll be one of those gys that comes out and shoots without doing their homework....


I'm happy to pay for quality EPG data with ICE.  The Q is, Can Big Screen EPG software directly download the xml directly from ICE at scheduled intervals with my credentials, and do it's fixing and enchncing all in the one integrated cycle.  This would be the ideal no?   Why double handle the process with multiple layers if not needed.

Yes, that is precisely what it does.

Quote from: Russell at IceTV on July 13, 2009, 06:34:22 AM

Quote from: dgaust on July 12, 2009, 07:57:34 PM

Quote from: asummerf on July 12, 2009, 06:54:41 PM
There seems to be a problem with series finales.  For example next weeks castle, I have a series recording setup which is recording tonights episode quite happily and not matching the next weeks final episode.  Only thing that I can think of is the title change, normal episode called "Castle" and next week it is "Castle - Season Finale".

Sounds like it's EIT data mixed in. That's something the broadcasters do, IceTV wouldn't change the title of the show for a finale because it would screw up season recordings.

Yes, that's right, it sounds like the over-the-air EIT guide data mixed in.  I just checked, and we only have one series called Castle, and the finale has the same name, with the episode "A Death in the Family".

You might want to disable the EIT data on your IceTV channels.  I just now added this tip to the first Windows 7 EPG Beta Readme (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1625) post at the top of this board:

Tip: Disable EIT guide data
Once you get the IceTV guide data working, you won't need (or want) the limited guide data that's sent over the air with digital channels.  Here's how to disable it:

• Go to Tasks / Settings / TV / Guide / Edit Channels.
• Click one of the channel names that you've enabled with a check mark (for example: ABC1-IceTV).
• Click "Edit Listings", and then click "Disable Inband".  Then click Save, and then Save again, to take you back to the Edit Channels page.
• Repeat for each enabled IceTV channel, then click Save on the Edit Channels page when done.

I'm getting what looks like mixed guide data in my listings too, but only for Win TV Canberra and Win TV HD.  I've disabled the inband listings for all my channels and re-run the script to download the IceTV guide data but am still getting some entries that look like they come from the EIT.  For example, tonight at 7:30 in Canberra on Win TV the Harry Potter movie is displayed as "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban -Rpt" whereas on the Ice TV site it says "MOVIE: Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)".

Quote from: Freefall on July 14, 2009, 05:44:35 PM

Quote from: Russell at IceTV on July 13, 2009, 06:34:22 AM

Quote from: dgaust on July 12, 2009, 07:57:34 PM

Quote from: asummerf on July 12, 2009, 06:54:41 PM
There seems to be a problem with series finales.  For example next weeks castle, I have a series recording setup which is recording tonights episode quite happily and not matching the next weeks final episode.  Only thing that I can think of is the title change, normal episode called "Castle" and next week it is "Castle - Season Finale".

Sounds like it's EIT data mixed in. That's something the broadcasters do, IceTV wouldn't change the title of the show for a finale because it would screw up season recordings.

Yes, that's right, it sounds like the over-the-air EIT guide data mixed in.  I just checked, and we only have one series called Castle, and the finale has the same name, with the episode "A Death in the Family".

You might want to disable the EIT data on your IceTV channels.  I just now added this tip to the first Windows 7 EPG Beta Readme (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1625) post at the top of this board:

Tip: Disable EIT guide data
Once you get the IceTV guide data working, you won't need (or want) the limited guide data that's sent over the air with digital channels.  Here's how to disable it:

• Go to Tasks / Settings / TV / Guide / Edit Channels.
• Click one of the channel names that you've enabled with a check mark (for example: ABC1-IceTV).
• Click "Edit Listings", and then click "Disable Inband".  Then click Save, and then Save again, to take you back to the Edit Channels page.
• Repeat for each enabled IceTV channel, then click Save on the Edit Channels page when done.

I'm getting what looks like mixed guide data in my listings too, but only for Win TV Canberra and Win TV HD.  I've disabled the inband listings for all my channels and re-run the script to download the IceTV guide data but am still getting some entries that look like they come from the EIT.  For example, tonight at 7:30 in Canberra on Win TV the Harry Potter movie is displayed as "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban -Rpt" whereas on the Ice TV site it says "MOVIE: Harry Potter & The Prisoner of Azkaban (2004)".

I had this problem on RC 7100 x64 when I installed having only deleted the .db file mentioned in my first post above. Once I repeated the procedure using the full MCE reset, I don't think I have had any EIT data coming back. So I can only suggest that you might need to do a full reset (once again)....

Quote from: NiallG on July 14, 2009, 12:23:39 PM

Anyhow - if you've got any q's about Big Screen EPG etc - please visit the abovementioned threads for more. If you want to use both products together - and you want to help make that experience as nice and workable as possible - then please contact icetv and tell them so (and hopefully encourage them to actually answer/follow up my emails to them over past few months).

cheers
Niall

Niall, I think that the program you have written is great but probably too hard for most non-tech/time poor users. However, my view is that if you have subscribed to the data from ICE Tv and ICE Tv support windows 7, then they should support a native feed that already has all relevant meta data in the right format for Win 7. If they ultimately don't do this, they will lose subscribers.

Quote from: Freefall on July 14, 2009, 05:44:35 PM
I've disabled the inband listings for all my channels and re-run the script to download the IceTV guide data but am still getting some entries that look like they come from the EIT.

It's been my experience that Win7's Media Center seems to hold onto data for a while, so you might have to wait a few days for the schedule to use up all the EIT data that's already been downloaded.  XP and Vista seemed to just overwrite the data with whatever we sent it, but Win7 has a different system.  Of course, you could do a full reset like hamping suggested also, and just be sure to disable inband on all the channels just after you finish the initial setup and channel scan.

Russell

Quote from: hamping on July 14, 2009, 06:51:59 PM

Quote from: NiallG on July 14, 2009, 12:23:39 PM

Anyhow - if you've got any q's about Big Screen EPG etc - please visit the abovementioned threads for more. If you want to use both products together - and you want to help make that experience as nice and workable as possible - then please contact icetv and tell them so (and hopefully encourage them to actually answer/follow up my emails to them over past few months).

cheers
Niall

Niall, I think that the program you have written is great but probably too hard for most non-tech/time poor users. However, my view is that if you have subscribed to the data from ICE Tv and ICE Tv support windows 7, then they should support a native feed that already has all relevant meta data in the right format for Win 7. If they ultimately don't do this, they will lose subscribers.

From my understanding - icetv won't be able to offer 100% of the metadata required at any point for windows 7 (even when they do fix up the metadata 'issues' in current implementation).   

The solution I offer is actually very simple and quick for a non-technical user to get going (and actually a lot simpler then the process required to get the icetv win7 solution going - which looks very technical atm once 'all' the required steps are taken). For Big Screen EPG installation/configuration - there's currently a couple of 'enhancement' steps in there (which aren't 100% necessary) which require some user interaction - and it's all these steps that could be completely eliminated if there was some co-operation from icetv (and make the installation of big screen epg for icetv a complete no brainer - with no configuration steps required at all except for user supplying their icetv username/password).  Anyhow you'd probably need to have a look at v0.4x of my product (and set it up for icetv) to understand what I'm getting at here. (and use your imagination on what a 'big screen epg for icetv' installer might look like - if I had some agreed integration points with their service).

Quote from: NiallG on July 15, 2009, 10:36:21 AM

Quote from: hamping on July 14, 2009, 06:51:59 PM

Quote from: NiallG on July 14, 2009, 12:23:39 PM

Anyhow - if you've got any q's about Big Screen EPG etc - please visit the abovementioned threads for more. If you want to use both products together - and you want to help make that experience as nice and workable as possible - then please contact icetv and tell them so (and hopefully encourage them to actually answer/follow up my emails to them over past few months).

cheers
Niall

Niall, I think that the program you have written is great but probably too hard for most non-tech/time poor users. However, my view is that if you have subscribed to the data from ICE Tv and ICE Tv support windows 7, then they should support a native feed that already has all relevant meta data in the right format for Win 7. If they ultimately don't do this, they will lose subscribers.

From my understanding - icetv won't be able to offer 100% of the metadata required at any point for windows 7 (even when they do fix up the metadata 'issues' in current implementation).   

The solution I offer is actually very simple and quick for a non-technical user to get going (and actually a lot simpler then the process required to get the icetv win7 solution going - which looks very technical atm once 'all' the required steps are taken). For Big Screen EPG installation/configuration - there's currently a couple of 'enhancement' steps in there (which aren't 100% necessary) which require some user interaction - and it's all these steps that could be completely eliminated if there was some co-operation from icetv (and make the installation of big screen epg for icetv a complete no brainer - with no configuration steps required at all except for user supplying their icetv username/password).  Anyhow you'd probably need to have a look at v0.4x of my product (and set it up for icetv) to understand what I'm getting at here. (and use your imagination on what a 'big screen epg for icetv' installer might look like - if I had some agreed integration points with their service).

Niall, what data do you think that ICE TV will not be able to include?

Quote from: hamping on July 15, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
Niall, what data do you think that ICE TV will not be able to include?

I doubt you will ever even get to see the channel logos from icetv (given the relationship between icetv and the "big boys") - and as for providing a list of the other '11 secret herbs and spices' - no thanks.....  ;D..

Quote from: NiallG on July 15, 2009, 03:41:15 PM

Quote from: hamping on July 15, 2009, 12:30:46 PM
Niall, what data do you think that ICE TV will not be able to include?

I doubt you will ever even get to see the channel logos from icetv (given the relationship between icetv and the "big boys") - and as for providing a list of the other '11 secret herbs and spices' - no thanks.....  ;D..

Well, with respect, that's not very helpful either. Logos are not a compelling reason to use BSG EPG. Its a one off process and there is freely available software available to to do it (as you know).

If you want to say that ICE Tv's service can't and won't be able to do something with WIN 7 as well as BSG EPG can or will do, you need to at least say what it is. I'm just asking why you see the service that this forum relates to is or will always be deficient? Is it limited to the AMG data and certain cover photos? This is quite different to saying how you achieve it from a software engineering persepctive.  And given that the answers about what WIN 7 is capable of is all in a Microsoft specification somewhere, its probably not such a secret anyway. It is, however, a good thing to discuss here for the benefit of subscribers....

Quote from: hamping on July 15, 2009, 09:24:36 PM
Well, with respect, that's not very helpful either. Logos are not a compelling reason to use BSG EPG. Its a one off process and there is freely available software available to to do it (as you know).

If you want to say that ICE Tv's service can't and won't be able to do something with WIN 7 as well as BSG EPG can or will do, you need to at least say what it is. I'm just asking why you see the service that this forum relates to is or will always be deficient? Is it limited to the AMG data and certain cover photos? This is quite different to saying how you achieve it from a software engineering persepctive.  And given that the answers about what WIN 7 is capable of is all in a Microsoft specification somewhere, its probably not such a secret anyway. It is, however, a good thing to discuss here for the benefit of subscribers....

The best solution is - if you want to get more of an understanding about how it gives you a better end result than a pre-prepared feed (and a more manageable/configurable solution over long term) -  download it and give it a shot - or come accross to the forums linked to above - and chat with others choosing to use it in combination with icetv feeds (even though they are aware there is just the option to just use the icetv mxf/win7 feed) - so that way you can make a more informed decision. (it's definitely not all about the channel logos - thats was just an 'example' of one feature you probably won't get from the premade icetv feed).

If you want to just use the icetv mxf/win7 feed thats your choice too - not trying to push you to do anything you don't want to do ...  but in same respect I'm not here to provide a bullet point 'check-list' of it's features for others to mimick/replicate (who may have sat unhelpfully on the sidelines when their assistance was really required) - and some of it isn't (and never will be) in the spec - partially due to a large portion of my solution being written before any spec was published. I'm also not here to spruik/advertise my product. I mainly responded in here due to all the mentions/links to my product (and references to steps/procedures which were flushed out with a lot of hard work by myself, lobbying and of course feedback from my beta testers) - and of course to answer to some incorrect assumptions on not going to the high court 'yet'...    :)

Installed over the older version using the instructions provided.  No issues everything just worked

Did note one issue in Brisbane 9 HD is listed after a scan as "Nine High Definitoion" so had to map it manually to "9 HD - Ice TV"

Even though I turned off the EIT guide by selecting "disable inband" as soon as the scan stopped the EIT guide was donloaded for ABC and some of the other channels as guide data went past midnight Tuesday 21 July.  Only noticed when repeats started to be included in the scheduled record.  I assume that as te ICE guide catches up it will overwrite the EIT info.

Also noted that Media Watch on Monday night at 21:20 is no longer listed as a repaet as it was prior to the update.  Interestingly the episode of the cook anbd the chef shown at 11:30 on 18/7 with an original air date of 15/7 was scheduled to record even though the series settings were set to new.  This maybe because this was the episode used to set up the series record.

Michael

Quote from: mjdoz on July 15, 2009, 11:29:11 PM
Installed over the older version using the instructions provided.  No issues everything just worked

Great!

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Did note one issue in Brisbane 9 HD is listed after a scan as "Nine High Definition" so had to map it manually to "9 HD - Ice TV"

Ok, thanks, we'll update the channel name in our database so other people should hopefully have it mapped automatically.

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Even though I turned off the EIT guide by selecting "disable inband" as soon as the scan stopped the EIT guide was donloaded for ABC and some of the other channels as guide data went past midnight Tuesday 21 July.  Only noticed when repeats started to be included in the scheduled record.  I assume that as te ICE guide catches up it will overwrite the EIT info.

Yes, it'll probably take enough time for the existing EIT data to run out.

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Also noted that Media Watch on Monday night at 21:20 is no longer listed as a repaet as it was prior to the update.

Looking at the guide on our web site, it appears that the Monday night showing is new, and the Wednesday night showing is a repeat, each week, so that sounds right.

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Interestingly the episode of the cook anbd the chef shown at 11:30 on 18/7 with an original air date of 15/7 was scheduled to record even though the series settings were set to new.  This maybe because this was the episode used to set up the series record.

I believe this is because of the Media Center "feature" that treats repeat episodes as new if they're within 7 days of the original air date.  Normally it would only record the second one if it wasn't able to record the first one on the 15th, but in this case it's probably because you just reset the database, so it has no record of that episode being recorded before.

Russell

Thanks Russell

Quote MJDOZ
"Also noted that Media Watch on Monday night at 21:20 is no longer listed as a repaet as it was prior to the update."

QUOTE Russell at IceTV
"Looking at the guide on our web site, it appears that the Monday night showing is new, and the Wednesday night showing is a repeat, each week, so that sounds right."

Thats correct.  On the old version on Windows 7 it showed all episodes as a repeat.  On Vista (I still have one of those as well) and EIT it showed it as new.  Windows 7 now matches the others so all is well with the world (and WAF).

Thanks again

Michael

Quote from: Russell at IceTV on July 09, 2009, 10:38:20 AM
This is a fairly major change in the way we create the Windows 7 guide, and we've found that Windows 7's Media Center doesn't like it when you load the guide in this new format over the top of the old format guide you're currently using.  The only way we've been able to successfully convert Media Center to the new format to fix the problems above is to reset Media Center back to the factory defaults and then load the new guide data in from scratch.  This means you'll need to run a command to do the reset, and then go through the Media Center setup again, to let it find your tuners and scan for channels.  After that, you can load the new guide data and create your series recordings again.  We know, this is a pain, and we'd love to find a way around this, but I'm afraid this is the best solution we've been able to find so far.

Because this is such a big change, we'd like to get a few guinea pigs brave beta testers to try it out first, before we change everyone over to the new format.  If all goes well, we'll eventually start using the new format in the normal program on our server, so everyone will get it.  At that time, everyone will need to do the reset.  But we'll give notice here before we do it.

Ok guys, it's been a couple of weeks now, and it looks like things are working pretty well.  I'm wondering if it's about time to switch everyone over to the new format.  Anyone have any more feedback (positive or negative) they'd like to share from their experience with the new data?

Thanks,
Russell

Russell - It does seem to be working well.

Your comments on what if anything is being considered for implementation regarding the various additional capacities for metadata in WIN 7 would also be of interest.

Regards

Russell,

I am not sure if this is something I am doing or a guide issue.  I am still seeing repeats being flagged for record even though the series settings are for "NEW" only.  This is not a big issue as it is better to record and delete rather than miss.

The latest one I noted was "Australian Story" ABC1 CH2 Sat 25/7 12:30 - 1:00pm  it is shown as original air date of 20/7/2009 which I am pretty certian was recorded on this PC.

Aside from that all looks great.

Michael

I don't see why you can't switchover to this now. To be honest I didn't even notice the difference this update made.

If I could make a suggestion, IceTV should be focusing on key features like supporting remote recording from things like the iPhone app etc. rather than adding a cast list. It's your performance in staying up-to-date and on the ball in key areas that's much more important for your goodwill and reputation.

I'm sure you guys are working hard at this and trying all that you can to navigate the changes in Windows 7. But I'll be in a tough decision come renewal time if you can't produce the goods.

Quote from: hamping on July 24, 2009, 12:27:35 PM
Russell - It does seem to be working well.

Your comments on what if anything is being considered for implementation regarding the various additional capacities for metadata in WIN 7 would also be of interest.

Glad to hear it's working well.

The documentation for the Win7 guide supports a few more things that we could add, such as series number info, star ratings, images for programs and channels, guest actors, hosts, producers, and writers.  Some of these things, like series numbers, and the roles for people (guest actors, hosts, producers and writers) are definitely things we're looking into for a future release.  The star ratings and images are a bit harder, but it's something we could possibly add in the future.  Is there something else in particular you're looking for?

Russell

Quote from: mjdoz on July 24, 2009, 04:41:43 PM
Russell,

I am not sure if this is something I am doing or a guide issue.  I am still seeing repeats being flagged for record even though the series settings are for "NEW" only.  This is not a big issue as it is better to record and delete rather than miss.

The latest one I noted was "Australian Story" ABC1 CH2 Sat 25/7 12:30 - 1:00pm  it is shown as original air date of 20/7/2009 which I am pretty certian was recorded on this PC.

Aside from that all looks great.

Michael

Hi Michael,

Yes, if it had an original air date that was only 5 days before, then Media Center would definitely still treat the second one as new as well.  I'd think it would only record the second one if the first one wasn't recorded, but maybe it's using some other logic I don't know about.  If you find other examples of the problem, let us know and we'll look into it.

Thanks,
Russell

Quote from: McBanjo on July 29, 2009, 09:14:31 PM
I don't see why you can't switchover to this now. To be honest I didn't even notice the difference this update made.

Good that your switchover went so easy.  I hope it's that way for everyone.

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If I could make a suggestion, IceTV should be focusing on key features like supporting remote recording from things like the iPhone app etc. rather than adding a cast list. It's your performance in staying up-to-date and on the ball in key areas that's much more important for your goodwill and reputation.

I'm sure you guys are working hard at this and trying all that you can to navigate the changes in Windows 7. But I'll be in a tough decision come renewal time if you can't produce the goods.

Is there something in particular you're still looking for in the iPhone app?  I assume you're aware of the updates we released to all of the Interactive sites, including the iPhone app, yesterday?  Maybe you hadn't tried them out yet when you posted that message?

If there's something in particular you're looking for, feel free to let us know.

Thanks,
Russell

Quote from: Russell at IceTV on July 30, 2009, 09:09:22 AM

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If I could make a suggestion, IceTV should be focusing on key features like supporting remote recording from things like the iPhone app etc. rather than adding a cast list. It's your performance in staying up-to-date and on the ball in key areas that's much more important for your goodwill and reputation.

I'm sure you guys are working hard at this and trying all that you can to navigate the changes in Windows 7. But I'll be in a tough decision come renewal time if you can't produce the goods.

Is there something in particular you're still looking for in the iPhone app?  I assume you're aware of the updates we released to all of the Interactive sites, including the iPhone app, yesterday?  Maybe you hadn't tried them out yet when you posted that message?

If there's something in particular you're looking for, feel free to let us know.

Thanks,
Russell

I'm confused. You can't set things to record in Windows 7 with the iPhone app can you? This is the feature I'd request more than anything in the world. It's so handy and extremely useful when you're out, see something on a TV and want to record it.

Quote from: Russell at IceTV on July 30, 2009, 09:03:35 AM

Quote from: hamping on July 24, 2009, 12:27:35 PM
Russell - It does seem to be working well.

Your comments on what if anything is being considered for implementation regarding the various additional capacities for metadata in WIN 7 would also be of interest.

Glad to hear it's working well.

The documentation for the Win7 guide supports a few more things that we could add, such as series number info, star ratings, images for programs and channels, guest actors, hosts, producers, and writers.  Some of these things, like series numbers, and the roles for people (guest actors, hosts, producers and writers) are definitely things we're looking into for a future release.  The star ratings and images are a bit harder, but it's something we could possibly add in the future.  Is there something else in particular you're looking for?

Russell

Russell, the images make for a really vibrant guide in Win7 and it is a great selling point for this kind of media centre. So I think it is well worth looking at. Channel logos are not so important because they can be added by individuals if they like. I agree that series numbers would also be really worthwhile.

The other thing was the ability for Win 7 to use its own abilities to import AMG data for movies.  There is something in Big Screen that puts the move information into a format that will cause the AMG data to be automatically imported.
regards

Quote from: McBanjo on July 30, 2009, 04:08:43 PM
I'm confused. You can't set things to record in Windows 7 with the iPhone app can you? This is the feature I'd request more than anything in the world. It's so handy and extremely useful when you're out, see something on a TV and want to record it.

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood what you were asking about.

No, I'm afraid the Interactive client program for Windows 7 isn't available yet, and I don't have an ETA for it right now.  When it is, you'll be able to remotely schedule Windows 7 like the other PVRs we have client programs for, via the web sites and the iPhone app.

Russell

Quote from: hamping on July 30, 2009, 10:12:40 PM
Russell, the images make for a really vibrant guide in Win7 and it is a great selling point for this kind of media centre. So I think it is well worth looking at. Channel logos are not so important because they can be added by individuals if they like. I agree that series numbers would also be really worthwhile.

The other thing was the ability for Win 7 to use its own abilities to import AMG data for movies.  There is something in Big Screen that puts the move information into a format that will cause the AMG data to be automatically imported.
regards

Ok, thanks for the input on what you'd like to see.  We'll keep working on it and see what we can add in the future.

Thanks,
Russell

Quote from: Russell at IceTV on July 31, 2009, 11:21:53 AM

Quote from: McBanjo on July 30, 2009, 04:08:43 PM
I'm confused. You can't set things to record in Windows 7 with the iPhone app can you? This is the feature I'd request more than anything in the world. It's so handy and extremely useful when you're out, see something on a TV and want to record it.

Ah, sorry, I misunderstood what you were asking about.

No, I'm afraid the Interactive client program for Windows 7 isn't available yet, and I don't have an ETA for it right now.  When it is, you'll be able to remotely schedule Windows 7 like the other PVRs we have client programs for, via the web sites and the iPhone app.

Russell

+1. 

My subscription just expired, so I think I'll hold out until the Interactive features come online for Windows 7.  I'll be running the RTM from the weekend when it's released to TechNet, but I think I'll just use inband data or a freebie XML guide until IceTV can finish the Interactive features.  Doesn't really make the subscription worthwhile without it, IMO. 

I'm having troubles with my setup. Despite trying to go through the manual setup, I still don't see any -Ice TV listings?

I'm in brisbane and have the following listings

ONE HD
ONE Digital
Ten Digital
ABC1
ABC2
ABC HDTV
SBS ONE
SBS TWO
SBS HD
7 HD Digital
7 Digital
Nine Digital
Nine High Definition
GO!

Quote from: walksm8 on August 18, 2009, 10:37:40 PM
I'm having troubles with my setup. Despite trying to go through the manual setup, I still don't see any -Ice TV listings?

Hi,

Ok, after you double-click the file "load_icetv_epg.bat", it should say, "Downloading guide data from IceTV..." and then "Loading guide data into Media Center...".  You should then see it load to 100%, and then the window will close.

If all that looks ok, then you can check the Media Center log file to see if it reported any errors.  To do that, go to "C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\eHome\logs", select "Details" from the View menu (or click the down-arrow button near the top right, if you don't see a View menu), then click the Date Modified header to make the most recent files be sorted at the top, and look for the most recent file that begins with "mcstore".  You should see the current date and time in the filename as well.  Double-click that log file and it should open in Notepad.

If the guide data loaded ok, you should see a line like this, about 20 or so lines down from the top:

loadmxf.2692 Information: 0 : MxfImporter: Loading took 00:00:03.0156250 (6161 objects at 2043.02590673575 objects/sec)

If there was an error, you'll see several lines containing "Error: -1", like this:

loadmxf.1648 Error: -1 : Exception encountered

Let us know what you find and we'll go from there.

Thanks,
Russell

Nevermind I found my problem :P Realised my windows 7 install is on a different partition, not c:!

                      Cheers