C'mon ICE Guy's and Gal's, we were promised that all sports series would be properly titled so that Series Recording's would last more than one year and now the Dakar Series has been ballsed up!!!
There are (so far) 2 series available to record:
Dakar Rally 2009 and Dakar Rally Preview 2009
Can you please remove the YEAR from all series as promised 18 months ago to make it consitent with other Sports?
It is Seriously disappointing that you guy's aren't following common sense guidelines and applying them consistently for ALL Sports across the otherwise excellent ICE TV Guide! :(
PS. I do hope that NASCAR will get sorted for the 2009 season so we can use ICE Guide for its intended purpose (ie recording series)?
I noticed this is happening to the cricket & Tennis too:
Cricket: 2008/2009 Test Series
Tennis: The Hopman Cup XXI (2009)
A classic example of you guy's getting it right is the American NFL eg:
Title: NFL Season
SubTitle: "2008 NFC Wildcard Playoff - TBA v TBA"
Description: The National Football League is 89 seasons old and still going strong. This year's theme is "Believe in Now". In 1920, eleven teams got together and started a competition in America's favourite sport ... yeah, even more than baseball. It can command the presence of 67,000 ardent fans at every game! The current competition fields thirty two teams. (HDTV)
I agree with the Dakar Rally assessment but not with the Cricket. We're not going to make just one title of 'Cricket' and anything cricket related becomes an episode of that. Many people simply want (in this example from you) to record all test cricket of this 08/09 series. It's hardly a burden to scan the guides once a year for cricket fans. There are always guidlines but no one rule applies to all. Fact is, there are many, many more examples where we have slowly changed the system - as promised. That includes many 'Awards' annual telecasts. So as far as 'ballsing up' - I think it's a fairly hefty exagerration. We appreciate your support DJOS and many suggestions, but let's keep it reasonable.
ok, I'll concede on the cricket. :D
Thanks Mitch, I do appreciate it when you guy's respond to customer rants feedback and improve things for us. ;)
Thanks for understanding. Just a thought ... and I don't really want to set precendents here (if you know what I mean), but maybe you could forward your ideal format for the various series. I know you have previously, but if you've the time and inclination, I'd appreciate your fresh / revised input. As you obviously know more about NASCAR than anyone here and given other information is sketchy at best. I don't think the broadcaster even knows what's really on. So many strange names and sponsors etc etc. At least on here others can give their thoughts / opinion on what you come up with. We WILL get NASCAR right this year :) Cheers.
Thanks Mitch, here is my proposed NASCAR Formatting - keep in mind there are 2 series shown here in Aus + a weekly Highlights Package for each Series:
Title: Motor Sport: NASCAR Nationwide Series
Subtitle: 2009 Camping World 300 at Daytona International Speedway
Description: NASCAR Nationwide Series for 2009 starts in Daytona with Camping World 300.
and
Title: Motor Sport: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series
Subtitle: 2009 Daytona 500 at Daytona International Speedway
Description: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series for 2009 starts with the classic Daytona 500.
With the weekly "highlights packages", can I suggest that you make these 2 totally different series eg:
Title: Motor Sport: NASCAR Nationwide Series - Highlights
Subtitle: Highlights from the 2009 Camping World 300 at Daytona International Speedway
Description: 1 Hour Highlights package from the NASCAR Nationwide Series from the Camping World 300.
and
Title: Motor Sport: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series - Highlights
Subtitle: Highlights from the 2009 Daytona 500 at the Daytona International Speedway
Description: 1 Hour Highlights package from the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series classic Daytona 500.
Because some races aren't shown that weekend so the highlights package the next week is in fact the only showing of that race
The Sprint Cup Series Schedule is here:
http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2009/data/schedule.html
and the Nationwide Series Schedule is here:
http://www.nascar.com/races/bg/2009/data/schedule.html
and these 2 pages contain the US date of the race, the Venue (e.g. Daytona International Speedway), the name of the Event (e.g. Camping World 300 presented by Chevrolet) + if you click on each track it will give you a ton of useful info like "Track History" & who won the previous year, Track Records etc.
To be honest tho imo there really isn't much need to put too much info into the description, just keep it simple e.g. "NASCAR Nationwide Series for 2008 starts in Daytona for the Camping World 300"
EDIT: put wrong NNWS schedule link in - now for 2009. :D
Btw, one thing that happened on at least 3 occasions last year was Guide entries for Nascar Races being split into 2 sequential entries "saturday race" & "sunday Race" for the one event (usually nationwide race).
This never ever happens, the Saturday race is the Nationwide Series and the Sunday Race is the Sprint Cup Series, both are distinct series just like over here the "V8Supercars Series" isn't the same series as the "Fujitsu V8 Series". the Nascar Nationwide series is the "junior" NASCAR category just like the Fujitsu Series is the Junior V8SC category over here.
Hope this helps, if you would like anymore info please let me know.
PS. there is a ton of great info on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series
I Just updated Post #5 as I put the wrong NASCAR Nationwide Series schedule link in - now it's for 2009. ;D
I appreciate your help on this one. I shall get someone to comb through what you've done and work on a format. Cheers.
Quote from: Mitch IceGuide on January 04, 2009, 03:28:00 PM
I appreciate your help on this one. I shall get someone to comb through what you've done and work on a format. Cheers.
No probs Mitch, happy to help. 8)
Quote from: djos on December 30, 2008, 08:02:13 PM
A classic example of you guy's getting it right is the American NFL eg:
Title: NFL Season
SubTitle: "2008 NFC Wildcard Playoff - TBA v TBA"
I much appreciate this.
One problem with NFL tho is that a playoff game was shown on TenHD in Perth on Sunday at midday that did not show up on Interactive. I only got the last part of the game by luck.
There is another one scheduled to show on TenHD next Sunday (listed on the ten.com.au) and again it's not listed on Interactive
Yeah that happened to me too, my Media Center missed it and was going to ignore another one too - I had to delete the series and recreate it for some reason? ???
My 'upcoming shows' now show NFL playoffs on Sunday.
Thanks IceTV
I have no idea how the NFL appears to have 'fixed iteself'. I'll run it past the tech guys. Thanks.
Mitch, why is the Super Bowl not part of the "NFL Season"? It isn't a standalone game, it's just like our AFL/NRL grand finals + it has 2009 appended to the title. :(
lucky for me I checked to see why it wasn't in my record list!
Currently It looks like this:
Title: NFL Super Bowl 2009
SubTitle: "Pittsburgh Steelers v Arizona Cardinals"
Description: The Pittsburgh Steelers meet the Arizona Cardinals at Tampa Bay. It promises to be a David and Goliath struggle given that the Steelers have been there before (6 times in fact) and the Cardinals haven't.
Surely it should look like this (as per the NFC & AFC playoffs):
Title: NFL Season
SubTitle: Super Bowl 2009 - "Pittsburgh Steelers v Arizona Cardinals"
Description: The Pittsburgh Steelers meet the Arizona Cardinals at Tampa Bay. It promises to be a David and Goliath struggle given that the Steelers have been there before (6 times in fact) and the Cardinals haven't.
?
Technically of course you're right. The thinking was that many people don't watch the regular NFL Season, only the Super Bowl, and, would miss it 'hidden' as an episode of NFL. Flawed logic? Perhaps. Will leave as is this time for obvious reasons, but I understand your point. Thanks.
Quote from: Mitch IceGuide on January 31, 2009, 11:58:06 AM
Technically of course you're right. The thinking was that many people don't watch the regular NFL Season, only the Super Bowl, and, would miss it 'hidden' as an episode of NFL. Flawed logic? Perhaps. Will leave as is this time for obvious reasons, but I understand your point. Thanks.
While I do understand this reasoning it means we have to schedule a series record for the season and with 2009 being in the title again a keyword series record for the superbowl and hope it works every year.
Btw, have you considered using a more generic title for the NFL to represent the Season/Playoffs/Superbowl? (for next season)
Mitch, a huge Thankyou to yourself, Marc and the Crew at ICE TV, I just did a search for nascar in my guide and got the following:
Title: Motor Sport: NASCAR - Sprint Cup
Sub-Title: "2009 - R1 Budweiser Shootout @ Daytona Raceway"
Description: Each year the Budweiser Shootout at Daytona International Speedway showcases the best of NASCAR racing and acts as a precursor to the upcoming season. No Sprint Cup points up for grabs here, just 75 adrenaline-filled laps of racing and a hefty purse on offer.
It's music to my eyes, my Media Center and I thank you very much! ;D
PS. the WRC entry is still using the year tho:
Title: Motor Sport: World Rally Championship 2009
You're welcome and I'm sorry it's been such a long wait for you and other NASCAR fans. The World Rally has been changed too. The person compiling SBS Guides is under instructions not to tamper with what SBS send us. However, for you and world harmony - an exception has been made. Cheers.
Quote from: Mitch IceGuide on February 06, 2009, 03:03:18 AM
You're welcome and I'm sorry it's been such a long wait for you and other NASCAR fans. The World Rally has been changed too. The person compiling SBS Guides is under instructions not to tamper with what SBS send us. However, for you and world harmony - an exception has been made. Cheers.
Thanks Mitch, awesome work. 8)
Arrrgh, cmon Ice guy's - did you not read this:
Quote from: djos on January 02, 2009, 01:41:14 PM
Btw, one thing that happened on at least 3 occasions last year was Guide entries for Nascar Races being split into 2 sequential entries "saturday race" & "sunday Race" for the one event (usually nationwide race).
This never ever happens, the Saturday race is the Nationwide Series and the Sunday Race is the Sprint Cup Series, both are distinct series just like over here the "V8Supercars Series" isn't the same series as the "Fujitsu V8 Series". the Nascar Nationwide series is the "junior" NASCAR category just like the Fujitsu Series is the Junior V8SC category over here.
Hope this helps, if you would like anymore info please let me know.
PS. there is a ton of great info on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nationwide_Series
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprint_Cup_Series
You've gone and done it again: >:(
Title: Motor Sport: NASCAR - Nationwide Series
Subtitle: "2009 - R1 - Camping World 300 at Daytona (Saturday Race)"
It's all happening at Daytona with the the opening and best regarded race of the NASCAR Nationwide Series season. The Camping World 300 presented by Chevrolet is the precursor to the Daytona 500 and is run the day before. (HDTV)
Sun 15 Feb 4:00 AM - 6:00 AMand
Title: Motor Sport: NASCAR - Nationwide Series
Subtitle:"2009 - R1 - Camping World 300 at Daytona (Sunday Race)"
It's all happening at Daytona with the the opening and best regarded race of the NASCAR Nationwide Series season. The Camping World 300 presented by Chevrolet is the precursor to the Daytona 500 and is run the day before. (HDTV)
Sun 15 Feb 6:00 AM - 8:00 AMSeriously, how hard can it be to get it right when your customers give you an explanation of how it does and doesn't work? ???
I wonder if you have been so vocal with Channel TEN? I just notice they seem to have also advertised the race as Nationwide Series for both days. You know, the tone of this whole thread is nothing I'm interested in. A rather disproportionate amount of staff's time has been spent trying to work NASCAR out. I'm an avid sports' fan and frankly it's got me baffled at times. We're doing our best and it will be much improved on last year. However, any talking down to, or rudeness shall be ignored.
Apologies for the tone/rudeness, was too tired to be posting. :(
You are correct, Ch10 have split it into 2 segments but not (Saturday Race) & (Sunday Race).
Logic suggests (by looking at the race schedule) that this is a single event - For some reason ch10 seem to split long events that start before 6am into 2, I'd suggest this is just one of their EPG system quirks. (If you look at the Sprint cup the following day you will see it starts at 6am and ends at 11:30am.)
PS. if I posted on CH10's forum (which I dont) I would have still expressed my frustration for this too.
awwww - was excited when i saw interactive show probowl to be recorded yesterday at 10am on 10HD.
Last nite i fastforwarded thru 4 hours of crap - no probowl :(
Probably no fault of IceTv, anyone know where i can see what ten broadcast yesterday at that time on SD?
I can't find any guides that keep a day or two into the past.
(Is that something IceTv would consider, would help us figure out what we missed and to keep an eye out in the furture)
The 'post telecast schedule' you're referring to would be handy at times I agree. The TV Channels won't release that information even to their 'friends' (which IceTV definitely don't seem to be). This would provide official proof of their disregard for viewers and advertisers. So, the only way this can be done is if someone actually watches and notes each and every time. As I said, good idea, but we don't have the staff to commit to that.
Late posting is always a danger but apology accepted - thanks. I definitely did see TEN advertising this as a Sat / Sun event. You're right about them splitting pre-6am events into two as an EPG quirk, and this is usually quite clear. In this case 4-6 and 6-8 are actually named differently. Ok, so I'm going to take your word for it that this is but one race and all on the same day. 'How hard can it be'? Not hard, just confusing with varying information out there. A 4 hour race? Obviously the 300 doesn't stand for metres.
Lol, yep 300 = 300 miles (or 480Km's) + the first 30mins -> hour is frequently the pre-race show (aka talk fest).
Btw, the schedule I was reffering too is the NASCAR event schedule - while it doesn't line up perfectly most of the time with the aussie broadcast schedule it does at least provide a guide to the number of actual race events on a given weekend.
Hi Guy's, just wondering what is with the R2 & R3 designations in the NASCAR subtitles? eg
2009 - R2 Stater Bros 300 @ Auto Club
2009 - R3 Auto Club 500 (Qualifying)
Assuming the "R" designation means "Race" and the number, R3 for the sprint cup is incorrect, the "Duels" from Daytona were only qualifying races, not true Race's in their own right.
Cheers djOS
Guy's is TEN playing silly buggers with NASCAR Sprint Cup Race timeslots?
I've only gotten the practice and/or qualifying Sessions for the last 2 weeks and im not amused (@ Ten) - is their any way you guy's can track what they are up too a little better? (Nationwide series has been fine) Thank God for the highlights but it's not the same thing. :(
Btw, you guys still have the R# incorrect for Sprint Cup, the last race (Shelby 427) was Race 3, NOT the "Auto Club 500". Race 4 will be the "Kobalt Tools 500".
So i've been keeping an eye on the TEN's own HD guide and as I suspected TEN are playing stupid games with NASCAR Sprint Cup and the 1st showing of the race from last weekend is todays highlights package! >:(
looks like the bloody golf is partly responsible - not happy. >:(
Arrrrrgh, just to add insult to injury, ten didn't play the sprint cup highlights package today as they had been indicating(and ice too) - I'm really pissed off at ten, they and the other browlsdcasters should be sued for false advertising via the tpa!
I'd do it myself if I could afford it!
Ps, sorry for mistakes, on iPhone waiting for naked DSL swith over.
Quote from: djos on March 05, 2009, 07:52:14 PM
... browlsdcasters ...
I'm not quite sure what that means, but I think I like it :D
Hehe. So think, when One is (officially) launched just what we are going to get, more chopping and changing and frustration, just like this.
LOL, that was broadcasters :D
Yeah, typical FTA, no respect for viewers!
It's sort-of a Lewis Carroll portmanteau word (see Humpty Dumpty's (http://frank.mtsu.edu/~rbombard/RB/Texts/LookingGlass/ch6.html) explanation of the Jabberwocky), made up of brawl, bowdlerize and broadcaster :)
Just to let you know I am reading this but nothing much too add. What can I say? It's a rubiks cube trying to keep track of the TEN shuffling.
Are you saying the R4 etc is out of whack or you just don't want to see it at all? I added it assuming it meant Round 4 .... not Race 4. The difference being that all races associated can be included in same Round number. Make sense?
Hi mitch, wether or not it's r for race or round ice guide is ahead of itself. Both nationwide and sprint cup have had the same number of rounds and yet sprint cup is show 1 ahead of nationwide, the latter being correct.
It started with the sprint cup Gatorade duels being incorrectly clasified as a standalone race r1 and then the daytona 500 became r2.
Ps, I realize that ten is screwing around with the hd guides, both the sc & nw highlights shows were not actually shown, I got crappy daytime tv for the sc & NBA for the nw. :(
Hi mitch, I just noticed something that amused my small mind; check out 10:30pm on onehd tonight.
The Title uses "r5" but description says "fourth race" :D