Hi Guys,
Just wondering when there will support from icetv for the upcoming release of the Fiji update pack for Vista MCE.
This would be great if we can still use ICE! Any idea on when it will be implemented?
Apparently (according to my friend google and www.xpmediacentre.com.au) the final release of fiji (Media Centre TV Pack 2008) is due during Cedia or something - between the 3rd - 9th of September
Cheers
Nigel
It is due out then but like most things it is already on the web if you know where to look.... and i noticed that the ice guide does not work with the update.... so i was wondering if Ice would be implementing this update into a release and when could we expect it?
2nd that need for work on it now so ICE will function as soon as Fiji is realeased 'officially'. Beta testers needed? :D
3rd that! Ready and willing to beta test!
Hi guys,
We're definitely looking into Fiji to see how we can best get our stuff working with it. As soon as we have something for you to try out we'll be sure and let you know. Sorry I don't have a time estimate at the moment, but we're definitely working on it.
Thanks,
Russell
And although it has changed.... Microsoft have made statements in other forums that there are 2 KB's on the subject describing how it could be done. It is no longer done via a webservice, and that it is now performed via supplied command line interface. They also went on to say, that although they dont / wont support 3rd part / external epg providers - they will supply the required information to those who need it.
So I would hope the dialogue is open - and it is not far away, considering all their offers of help
I also want to update to Fiji - so count me as a vote for an update to IceTV.. actually - count me as 5 votes as I have 4 mates with Vista Media Center and they all beg me to update their PC's and keep them uptodate and most of them want more than two tuner support so I will be updating them as soon as IceTV get a FiJi compatible version ready.
bump, another vote from me
bump ;)
we would be very keen for icetv to work with fiji.
while fiji is able to pull the guide from the broadcast signal we are conscerned about the reliability of recording a series given the free to air guide data may change.
if you guys could source the information from microsoft and update ice asap we would appreciate it.
kind regards
rob
even if the IceTV software could fill in the blanks with the FTA guide, as I have noticed that the FTA guide data has more specific show info (ie. it displays a summary of what's happening in the show, not just a generic description of the show)
Just wait until you try to record a sporting event or saturday night movie on channel Nein.... instead of the event name they use "Wide World of Sports" or "Saturday Night at the Movies" and include the actual title in the description. They also scream at you (use all CAPITALS)....
The EIT data is a complete shambles, and not worth using.
I've not 'upgraded' to the TV pack until Ice have provided the ability for me to inject their listings into it.
any idea when ICE TV will be available for it?
Sorry, no date yet. It's a very, very high priority though.
damn just upgraded with TV Pack and now iceTV does not work! should have read this first.
Msg to All. MICROSOFT TV PACK USES MICROSOFT EPG AND IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ICE TV, INCLUDING INTERACTIVE.
TV Pack, did however fix a lot of problems on my 4 tuner MCE machine. Still got Beyonwiz working!
Look forward to an update from the Ice Team :)
just installed myself. thankfully created a system restore point so will be rolling back.
fiji epg please! :)
Yep who cares about facebook apps - get the priorities right first...
1. Fiji update
2. N/A Channel 9
My subscription came up and only renewed for a short time... the clock is ticking... else I might just move elsewhere....
Any news on this ICEtv ??? Just bought a new Media Centre PC and guess what has the TV pack installed and no guide now :(
Tony
Quote from: impact on August 30, 2008, 08:34:40 PMMy subscription came up and only renewed for a short time... the clock is ticking... else I might just move elsewhere....
Where?
Quote from: blaize on August 31, 2008, 06:24:34 PMAny news on this ICEtv ???
Fiji support is a huge priority for us. There's no news yet, but we're doing all we can to have support ASAP.
Hi Guys,
Any idea on the eta/date of support for the pack yet?
Cheers,
Nigel
hey guys
any further progress on icetv support of tv pack 2008 (fiji)
we really want to ship machines with official support for 2xdual tuners under ultimate and are having to hold off until icetv is sorted.
cheers
rob
Talk to MS... they're the ones dragging the chain on this. Considering the changes that they made to the way guide data is imported and stored, it is undoubtedly requiring a lot of work to try and get it back to where it should be.
They've made a statement over at xpmediacentre.com.au saying that loading your own data into Mediacentre (this includes Ice) is not a supported scenario.
So start bugging them..... as an OEM you would have significantly more pull than IceTV when it comes to Microsoft.
Hi guys,
We know there are a few of you using Fiji now, and we'd like nothing more than to be able to supply guide data for you. Unfortunately, we've tried contacting Microsoft both locally and in the U.S. but have received very little in response so far. We've also tried contacting several of our manufacturing partners and resellers, since this update is only being officially offered to OEMs. We'll continue to try to plead our case, but at the moment we're having trouble finding any info on how to import third-party guide data into MCE with Fiji. Statements have been made by Microsoft employees implying that there might be a method of loading guide data from a file on the hard drive, but so far we haven't seen anything to suggest that it's actually possible, or any info about the new guide data format.
dgaust: if you have a direct link to the forum post you mentioned, please feel free to post it here and we'll take a look.
Thanks,
Russell
Here's (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/vista-epg-discussion-support/30070-microsoft-epg-xml-file-format.html#post205543) the first one
And another (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-discussion-suggestions/30502-fiji-going-vista-r2-3.html#post213654) from the same person who's indicated that it's their responsibility.
dgaust: Thanks for the links. Yes, those are the articles we've seen too, but it looks like nothing has been posted on the subject recently. We're still trying to get more info on the new guide format and the ability to load guide data from a file, as Mike mentioned in the posts.
Thanks,
Russell
Thanks to dgaust - at least we got a little response...
http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/293888.aspx
"Im still working on typing up the information. However, it is low priority to me and as other things come up, it gets bumped down the todo list. Im hesitant to put a timeframe on it. It should be done in the next couple of months. The optimistic side of me is thinking weeks."
Mike is a nice guy - one of the nicer MS people around... however I am sure he is swamped with other things... and to worry about this little country - well.... We know the MS position.
Now I could say lets all email him, annoy the crap - but what would that achieve. Maybe praying to your respective god that it turns up in weeks and not months is a good thing >? Or maybe if just icetv contacts their MS rep in Aus to have the issue escalated, and somehow Mike is given some free time to write it up ?
Who knows - no solution.... Not even a slab of beer to Mike would help ?
Any update on this? It is just a little bit important as a media centre builder has just shipped me a machine without the ability to use Ice and the FTA now/next/7 days is a joke.
Hi there Sandman,
It is sooo fustrating. I have been scouring the links in this thread and over at www.xpmediacentre.com.au any news for the white paper on how the new fiji update works with regard to eit guide data. It seems still quite a complex matter - I can't wait for ice tv support either, but from what I read around various forums it still is going to be a while before this arrives :( I can only hope it arrives sooner than later! Any further news, developments, links to the white paper yet?
Cheers,
Nigel
any update or eta?????
Hi Guys,
Just wondering also if there has been any development on this tv pack '08 ice tv support ... even if you could 'throw us a bone' to help keep us a little in the loop as to any developments. I imagine that as the white paper for the update is not out yet, there is not much that can be done? or has been done?
Cheers,
Nigel
Its really getting tiring of this - no answers / no help onbehalf of MS.... So the best thread discussing it is the one that dgaust setup over at;
http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/293888.aspx
I think it deserves a daily bump to keep it visible near the top of the list / and also a click on the 5 star rating to help highlight it...
I started the campaign yesterday of a daily bump - someone else can try each day - be creative as you like.... Surely this may annoy or amuse someone enough to actually respond or actually help out...
The next campaign I think would be - a new thread for each posting - we all just go over there and start flooding our problem onto the world... maybe enough statistics can be caused to put this problem higher on the list...
Oh well none of these ideas will work... nothing will... so might just give up and move onto something else...
Thanks Impact,
I might just wander over to TGB link you inidicated and do as suggested. Maybe there is strength in numbers? Here's hoping the 'little guys' can make a difference...
I hope someone posts as soon as they get something good? I imagine I am not the 'lone ranger' in this update?
Cheers,
Nigel
from the looks of TGB thread, there are only a handful who seem to care at the moment :(
come on peoples!
Guys,
Apologies for the lack of response from our end but we are waiting as is any third party EPG provider world wide on Microsoft to release the necessary documentation / information needed to implement non EIT driven EPG data into the new TV Pack / Fiji update to Vista.
We have made some progress in terms of finding the right people from Microsoft to liaise with regarding this and we have been assured that we will be one of the first to receive the information when ready.
As soon as we are shown this we will work very hard to turn around a solution for Australian users.
We apologise for any inconvenience caused. At this stage there simply is no information being provided to work from, so please dont treat our silence as meaning we dont care.
As other members of IceTV have said in this thread... we are treating this very seriously and will work on providing a suitable solution as soon as possible.
Hopefully we wont have to wait too much longer to see this information.
Regards,
mattk
Er, could the ties between Nine and Microsoft (I'm presuming the Ninemsn site indicates a tie) be causing problems for third party epg developers? Maybe Nine should bite the bullet and buy out Icetv (might have happened when they used to have money).
Quote from: wfdonald on October 17, 2008, 03:58:29 PMEr, could the ties between Nine and Microsoft (I'm presuming the Ninemsn site indicates a tie) be causing problems for third party epg developers?
We don't believe so.
I wouldn't hold my breath on it happening before the release of Windows 7.
This is a comment from Mike Hayton, who is a Microsoft Team Member and the person who was going to be writing the kb (or at least guide).
QuoteI hit a techincal problem in that the database protection is preventing the loading of the guide data. Its likely that when I release the information, someone will still have to figure out how to break the database protection in order to load the data. I'll work to make sure that Win7 doesnt have this problem.
Full thread is here (http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/293888.aspx)
The best bet is to avoid TV Pack like the plague, it's not even good enough for a beta release anyway. Of course, this doesn't help those who purchase OEM machines, but if you have the choice, I wouldn't touch it.
that is very dissapointing!
it's unlikely that its ever going to get resolved. Win7 is their answer! What a wank.
Micro$oft, you have let down users once again.
Hi guys,
No gossip or any news on any devolpments, or is everything just gathering 'dust'? Are we stuck until Windows 7 release for any support as suggested?
Hi everyone,
Another small step...
http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-discussion-suggestions/33133-windows-7-media-centre-screenshots-3.html#post226299
Slowly but surely. I hope the document detailing the changes comes soon so we can get support for the tvpack.
Cheers,
Nigel
Thanks Nigel. It really helps getting links like that.
Quote from: Nigel Roden on October 31, 2008, 05:04:46 PM
Hi everyone,
Another small step...
http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-discussion-suggestions/33133-windows-7-media-centre-screenshots-3.html#post226299
Slowly but surely. I hope the document detailing the changes comes soon so we can get support for the tvpack.
Cheers,
Nigel
Remember that to get it working in TV Pack, someone will need to crack the encryption on the guide database.... there's a bug in TV Pack that prevents the data being loading via MS's own tool. The bugs been fixed in Windows 7, but won't be fixed in TV Pack.
For mine, it wouldn't be worth the effort putting a lot of effort into developing a solution for TV Pack....
So where does that leave us with icetv support? Does it mean that icetv guide data won't be supported in vista tv pack 2008?
It seems as though icetv guide data support won't be working until windows 7?
The bug seems to be a cracker if it prevents the loading of 3rd party guide data!
Hi Guys,
Any news, developments on any support yet?
Yes... some sort of progress update would be great.
Sorry, the situation hasn't changed much.
We are still actively searching for a solution though.
Hi Guys,
A little more info over at http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/2/293888/ShowThread.aspx
It looks as though it will be possible only to import 3rd party data for the guide in windows 7. Is there any plan from ice tv to allow the use of it's guide data in windows 7?
A little more about the guide process in windows 7 in the above link to The Green Button Any development/news of icetv beta for windows 7?
Cheers
Hi -
My IceTV subscription is about to expire - and since the new TVPack fixes are working now - I'm switching off my old (pre TVPack) system and will only be using TVPack + Win7. I'd really like to use your service still (appreciate the data quality when its there) - but basically it's not an option.
However - from my understanding of the EPG situation - Mike Hayton has only indicated he will release some notes at some point on how the MXF format works (and how to use loadmxf in Win7) - but this is only half the solution - and you will still need to figure out how to get around the db protection in TVPack. Because the db protection side is a sensitive area (involving copyright / breech of terms of use etc) - it's unlikely that anyone who does figure it out will post this information (as they could get in a lot of grief).
That being said - it does look like it's definitely possible (from a coding pov) to get it working on TVPack (but no where near as 'easy' as the upcoming Win7 beta1+ release - which will provde a working loadmxf). Also - AFIK - you can already get samples of the MXF file's used (in a Web Service scenario) by setting your system up for a supported country like UK and capturing the temp files.
So the question is - are you guys actively investigating (from a code pov) how to get the EPG working on TVPack - or are you simply waiting for Mike Hayton (or someone else) to provide the MXF/loadmxf information to you? (and hence have given up on TVPack).
Niall
Hi Guys,
I know the document has not been released yet for the injection of guide data, but has there been any progress on the tvpack '08 or windows 7 pre beta's? I imagine there are quite a few of us that are keen to test if there is something avaliable.
Hey all,
Check this thread out - someone's making some progress! Any chance that ice tv can help?
Hehe Nigel, you need to link to the thread (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-discussion-suggestions/33321-working-epg-windows-7-a-4.html) ;D
Thank you dgaust. I only saw that post late yesterday and started to get so excited and I forgot to link it. :) I wish I could speak developer speak to help this development
The posibilities of the new format look great in win 7. I like the idea of having shmicko fta and internet tv logos in the guide page in media centre? Also it looks like that the format can allow a lot more meta data?
I hope the guys from ice tv can get in and help develop something?
cheers