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Very nice, and rather obvious points indeed. Except that plenty of software and drivers didn't fully support Windows 7, including Virus Protection, Email Spam filters, CD/DVD writers/creators, Video Card drivers and TV Tuner Decoders, to name but a few. Due to underlying Kernel changes, all there products required changes to work correctly on Windows 7. Guess what, the leading brands of virus makers have updated, Spam filters are updated, disk writers, video and tuner decoders, etc, etc, you get the point.

Yes, there are plenty of things that didn't require much or any changes, but far more did, because this ISN'T Windows Vista!! If nothing needed updating, then the Kernel would be exactly the same and this would be Vista SP3. The point is they DID make changes, big changes, and these big changes have required MOST driver and software makers to make changes. You know what the difference is? Most of these companies made the changes MONTHS ago, so support has already been there for months. So of course most aren't putting up new drivers today - the driver from August was already updated with full support!!

Now, let me make something very clear indeed. I actually wasn't annoyed to know IceTV wouldn't be ready. What pissed me off enough was people like yourself making excuses. I'm so sick of people like you making excuses. You'd do yourself well to get a job as a politician, maybe Health Minister? Then you could try you hand of explaining away why people are still waiting to get into a hospital.

Oh, and next time you try to use a BIG persons words, look them up first. Specious = "plausible but false". For My Movies to fit into this category, it would need to comply with the "false" part of specious reasoning. Point in fact, Specious, would be a very good description of your point that Vista drivers work on Windows 7, because the driver framework is the same. Plausible, but false!! nVidia and ATI have already stated as such.

Quote: "However, the main point is that what works on Vista will work on Windows 7". Plausible, but false! Virus protection worked on Vista, needed to be updated to Windows 7. This was also done months ago, updates already intergrated.

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It's October 23. The full version of Windows 7 (RTM) has been available since the last week of July. That 3 months - 13 Weeks. Now the RTM is on the shelves and on shipping PC's. When are we likely to see the FULL Windows 7 compatibility with IceTV? Yes, I know you want to get the bugs out, but everyone else out there have been working hard since July when they gained access to the full retail version of windows 7. The Media Centre plugin "My Movies" is now ready to go, today! They have been working hard the last three months testing it on the RTM, making sure it all worked well. What has IceTV been doing these last three months? There is no excuse, whatsoever, for any software maker of hardware manufacture to not have their programs upgrades and drives complete, ready, and fully compatible as of the 22nd.

Then I get this:

It's October 23. The full version of Windows 7 (RTM) has been available since the last week of July.

To a limited subset of subscribers/technical people for evaluation and testing purposed. Not the general public, nor for production usage. It was released to the public today.

That 3 months - 13 Weeks.

And IceTV have been working towards the final version since that time.

Now the RTM is on the shelves and on shipping PC's. When are we likely to see the FULL Windows 7 compatibility with IceTV? Yes, I know you want to get the bugs out, but everyone else out there have been working hard since July when they gained access to the full retail version of windows 7.

Are you intimating that IceTV haven't? They have a workable solution at the moment, and a full interactive client soon to be released.

The Media Centre plugin "My Movies" is now ready to go, today! They have been working hard the last three months testing it on the RTM, making sure it all worked well.

One of the worst examples you could have used... ever. MyMovies 3.0 has been in development since 2007 with a MCML version promised since early 2008. It has taken until the release of Windows 7 (one complete iteration of the current development environment was skipped) for them to release it.

What has IceTV been doing these last three months? There is no excuse, whatsoever, for any software maker of hardware manufacture to not have their programs upgrades and drives complete, ready, and fully compatible as of the 22nd.

See all the posts in this forum for evidence of what they've been doing. They support a lot more devices that Windows7.

You'll also find that there are many hardware manufacturers who won't release windows7 drivers for a while yet, despite Windows 7 being available for testing.

People need to relax and stop being so 'excitable'

All very good and well spun explanations, except that it ignores the reality of the situation:

Any developer who wanted a time limited copy, could get one from Microsoft since July. I think IceTV falls into this category, do you?

Despite the poor development cycle, My Movies HAS been updated and I've already installed it onto Windows 7, with it operating perfectly.

Yes, there are plenty of devices that won't have their driver updates for a while, but the important ones, like nVidia and ATI, have updated.

The REALITY of the situation, is that EVERYTHING it running great on my Windows 7 Media Centre, with full, and updated versions.... except for IceTV.

So keep on spinning away with your wonderfull excuses, and who knows maybe some people might actually fall for it, but for those living in reality, and looking at out running systems seeing IceTV as the only piece of software not working fully, will see what you say for the rubbish that it is.

Oh, and one more subtle difference while I remember it:

My Movies is a free application, so if it doesn't work quite right, I'd forgive them. Thing is, it does work right, right now, and is fully compatible with Windows 7. Damm good job for something they aren't charging me for.

IceTV I pay a rather hefty amount of money for. It's a paid application, and yet despite this they still couldn't get a 100% feature complete version out by the 22nd of October.

My Epson printer drivers: Windows 7 support. Total Media Theater: Windows 7 Compatible fully certified.

This is what happened waaaay back with Windows Vista. Vista was a dog of an O/S, but what made it worse was that NOTHING was ready when it shipped. There were PC's being sold with Beta versions of the display drivers. This time round, Microsoft went WWAAYYYYYY out of their way to ensure that everything anyone needed to be ready by the 22nd, they got it, and NO COST. You need software, here you go. You need to query a Microsoft developer about a piece of integration, you got it. Microsoft wasn't going to stuff this up a second time round, and as a result the great deal and majority of software and hardware is certified and ready to go. So much so that of all the software I use, I am YET to encounter something that isn't ready...well....1 thing that is!! There is no excuse for this, not with all the help Microsoft was providing to developers. We are talking 3 months, with heaps of users only too happy to assist in beta testing, and yet they still can't pull it together. This is symptomatic of ICETV however. How often do we need to clear the recording cache because interactive won't work? One way of looking at it is that the reason why interactive isn't working for 7, is that it hasn't ever really worked at all!!

Oh, and one more subtle difference while I remember it:

My Movies is a free application, so if it doesn't work quite right, I'd forgive them. Thing is, it does work right, right now, and is fully compatible with Windows 7. Damm good job for something they aren't charging me for.

IceTV I pay a rather hefty amount of money for. It's a paid application, and yet despite this they still couldn't get a 100% feature complete version out by the 22nd of October.

I don't care that I can get a TV guide up on the screen. It's VERY easy to do this with free alternatives. (Green Button has HEAPS of info to do this). The reason I PAY MONEY for this IS the interactive feature - the very feature that all I can hope for maybe over the next few days is a BETA VERSION!! Oh, I hear what you are saying, that support soooooo many other devices, so basically I should just take it and like it? If I can't get interactive, there's no point paying anymore, and I won't bother paying anymore. I cancel, and check back in a year or two when they actually get their act together and bring out something that works. No wonder they have been trying so hard to get people to pay for a full year upfront, knowing so many are going to be rather annoyed when IceTV Interactive doesn't work on their shiny new Windows 7 PC.

All very good and well spun explanations, except that it ignores the reality of the situation:

Any developer who wanted a time limited copy, could get one from Microsoft since July. To make sure this is understood, this is the FULL version, Release To Manufacturing version, not a beta, not a release candidate, the SHIPPING version. I think IceTV falls into this category, do you? Microsoft has been bending over backwards to ensure any developer who needed help got it, so as to not have a repeat of the Vista disaster when nothing was ready the day it hit the shelves.

Despite the poor development cycle, My Movies HAS been updated and I've already installed it onto Windows 7, with it operating perfectly.

Yes, there are plenty of devices that won't have their driver updates for a while, but the important ones, like nVidia and ATI, have updated.

The REALITY of the situation, is that EVERYTHING it running great on my Windows 7 Media Centre, with full, and updated versions.... except for IceTV.

So keep on spinning away with your wonderfull excuses, and who knows maybe some people might actually fall for it, but for those living in reality, and looking at out running systems seeing IceTV as the only piece of software not working fully, will see what you say for the rubbish that it is.

It's October 23. The full version of Windows 7 (RTM) has been available since the last week of July. That 3 months - 13 Weeks. Now the RTM is on the shelves and on shipping PC's. When are we likely to see the FULL Windows 7 compatibility with IceTV? Yes, I know you want to get the bugs out, but everyone else out there have been working hard since July when they gained access to the full retail version of windows 7. The Media Centre plugin "My Movies" is now ready to go, today! They have been working hard the last three months testing it on the RTM, making sure it all worked well. What has IceTV been doing these last three months? There is no excuse, whatsoever, for any software maker of hardware manufacture to not have their programs upgrades and drives complete, ready, and fully compatible as of the 22nd.

It's October 23. The full version of Windows 7 (RTM) has been available since the last week of July. That 3 months - 13 Weeks. Now the RTM is on the shelves and on shipping PC's. When are we likely to see the FULL Windows 7 compatibility with IceTV? Yes, I know you want to get the bugs out, but everyone else out there have been working hard since July when they gained access to the full retail version of windows 7. The Media Centre plugin "My Movies" is now ready to go, today! They have been working hard the last three months testing it on the RTM, making sure it all worked well. What has IceTV been doing these last three months? There is no excuse, whatsoever, for any software maker of hardware manufacture to not have their programs upgrades and drives complete, ready, and fully compatible as of the 22nd.