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Title: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: madrob on February 24, 2009, 01:29:02 PM
Is there any way to set a priority order for shows that you want to tape through IceTV? For eg if you use the series record or keyword record functions can you set certain shows as #1 priority and others as, say, #99 so the PVR or IceTV can know which show is the least important and therefore the first recording to get cancelled in the event of a scheduling conflict?
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: prl on February 24, 2009, 05:09:39 PM
No.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: madrob on March 01, 2009, 10:54:04 PM
Oh well, it never hurts to ask...thanks for that.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: Monaro427 on March 29, 2009, 01:45:29 PM
Yes, I agree that priorities would be a very good thing to have. So if you are listening IceTV, please add this feature :)
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: mcretan on April 12, 2009, 08:55:13 PM
I'll second that!
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: JPP on April 14, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
Quote from: mcretan on April 12, 2009, 08:55:13 PM
I'll second that!
Yes, I agree too. The closer we can get to the way the TiVo does it all (without infringing any patents if these do exist), the better. Although I'm not a great fan of the TiVO in general (too many layers of menus), I do think that they have the best there is wrt setting up recordings. Auto delete is another function I really like. I believe that the Wiz is getting this functionality soon? It was discussed some time ago - any news on this anyone?
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: prl on April 27, 2009, 03:01:45 PM
Quote from: JPP on April 14, 2009, 06:51:05 PM
... Auto delete is another function I really like. I believe that the Wiz is getting this functionality soon? It was discussed some time ago - any news on this anyone?
Autodelete is in the current beta.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: atom on May 12, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
I'd also love to see a priority system. The one semi time consuming task Ice doesn't overcome at the moment is the need to check through all the scheduled recordings to sort out any clashes. Otherwise it nearly always seems to end up missing the preferred program... Until this is available it can't be a truly set-and-forget service.  :)
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: audioh0bbs on June 22, 2009, 09:33:54 PM
Quote from: atom on May 12, 2009, 01:00:30 PM
I'd also love to see a priority system. The one semi time consuming task Ice doesn't overcome at the moment is the need to check through all the scheduled recordings to sort out any clashes. Otherwise it nearly always seems to end up missing the preferred program... Until this is available it can't be a truly set-and-forget service.  :)

+1 for this, especially since the Ice system seems to keep recording both SD and HD versions of the same show (even though I have told it I prefer HD.)

Al.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: mcretan on October 18, 2009, 08:29:25 AM
+1 for me.

Can I make a suggestion?  For multiple recording conflicts, perhaps if the show is also marked as a favourite on interactive it gets priority over one that is not.  Then it might simply be a matter ice changing it so that the ice file sends the timer details with (isfavourite) entries first... 

That should be pretty easy to do shouldn't it?

Cheers,

Mike
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: jim16 on May 10, 2010, 09:32:34 PM
Sorry for drudging up an old thread.

Does anyone know if priorities are planned?

Missed one of my favourite shows tonight due to a conflict with a show that I would only record if a tuner was free.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: shermozle on July 30, 2010, 12:51:01 PM
Wow, I think I wouldn't have bought my Beyonwiz if I'd known there was no way to prioritise scheduled recordings.  I've switched from MythTV (was having hardware problems so I figured a dedicated box would be an improvement) and the handling on that is superb, especially coupled with automatic deletion.

Some use cases that I had used quite successfully on my box, to fit my needs.  I'm sure others would have similar requirements.


So essentially I now need to treat all schedules as "must record" which means I won't be able to have a stock of stuff like Simpsons lying around for when I'm in the mood.  That's a real limitation for me!
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: chrisb on August 02, 2010, 10:49:52 PM
I'd like this functionality as well.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: mcpaton on August 19, 2010, 08:16:21 AM
Me too.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: prl on August 19, 2010, 09:24:08 AM
As has been mentioned in other topics, management of recordings (with priority) across more than one device would be good, too.

And a little OT: please make the default series recording option "Prefer Standard Definition" if the recording is being set up from a standard definition service!
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: JPP on August 19, 2010, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: prl on August 19, 2010, 09:24:08 AM
As has been mentioned in other topics, management of recordings (with priority) across more than one device would be good, too.

And a little OT: please make the default series recording option "Prefer Standard Definition" if the recording is being set up from a standard definition service!
Yep, these two issues have been bugging me too for a looooong while now - not for the want of asking mind you  :).

What about it Daniel ?
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: prl on August 19, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
Quote from: JPP on August 19, 2010, 03:57:13 PM
Quote from: prl on August 19, 2010, 09:24:08 AM
As has been mentioned in other topics, management of recordings (with priority) across more than one device would be good, too.

And a little OT: please make the default series recording option "Prefer Standard Definition" if the recording is being set up from a standard definition service!
Yep, these two issues have been bugging me too for a looooong while now - not for the want of asking mind you  :).

What about it Daniel ?
The really annoying thing about the second one is that the single episode recording button does the right thing!
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: tonydav on March 11, 2011, 02:38:13 PM
+1 for me for me as well to both of these features.

Ice really needs a priority system to make it true set and forget.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: Lisey on March 11, 2011, 06:28:54 PM
-1 for me.
No way I'd spend the time prioritizing my shows just in case they ever overlap. It takes long enough to record a show without prioritizing it, especially if it doesn't clash anyway. Why not have a priority only where a clash will occur? And a badge on the app to see that?
While I absolutely see your reasoning for wanting it, extra bits to fill in risks making it cumbersome and clunky.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: tonymy01 on March 11, 2011, 09:34:32 PM
I would suggest the priority be optional, if no priority set, no different action is taken.   If a number has been set, then in the case of a multiple clash (ICE need to therefore know you have 1, 2 or X tuners, or use the exclamation for non-set timers when the PVR next responds... assuming it does.. Topfield, yes, I am talking about your pathetic ICE effort!!),  if a timer has a greater priority number than another, ditch the lower one, if less, ditch the higher one of course, and if the same, leave as is (i.e. current solution of "tough t*tties, you only have 2 tuners, but we have scheduled 3 timers, so you lose one of them").
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: prl on March 11, 2011, 11:10:15 PM
Quote from: Lisey on March 11, 2011, 06:28:54 PM
-1 for me.
No way I'd spend the time prioritizing my shows just in case they ever overlap. It takes long enough to record a show without prioritizing it, especially if it doesn't clash anyway. Why not have a priority only where a clash will occur? And a badge on the app to see that?
While I absolutely see your reasoning for wanting it, extra bits to fill in risks making it cumbersome and clunky.
I tend to agree with this. I have about 130 recordings in my IceTV My Shows. I'm not going to prioritise them, and prioritising them as the need arises seems to me to be about the same sort of effort as managing collisions manually.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: tonymy01 on March 12, 2011, 01:12:53 AM
I use a priority scheme for my Topfield 5K, it works reasonably well.   You don't go and number every favourite/keyword, that is crazy.   You just start numbering the shows you would hate to miss (or would cop an ear bashing if they were missed).   Make sure you give them big priority numbers.   That is all really.   I definitely haven't numbered my 120keywords, just about 10 or so.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: markb on March 12, 2011, 01:15:05 AM
My 2c of comment.

I wrote my own xmltv grabber, favorites matcher and timer setter etc for my slug with my old TF5000. I have used it for many years now. At one point long ago, I tried to add priorities on favorites matches with an algorithm for dealing with timer clashes but it is surprisingly difficult. What do you do with coallesced programs with mulitple priorities etc? What if that coallesced series clashes with a much shorter but higher priorty program. Eventually I realised that the clashes can only really be satisfactorily dealt with by human resolve. So I changed my program to merely email me whenever it detects a clash. The email tells me the clashed programs etc and I resolve them manually. With my families (admittedly light) viewing habits, I only get about 2 emails a year so it works well for me and I suspect for many others. So perhaps ICE could also consider adding an "email on timer clash" option?
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: csutak40 on March 12, 2011, 02:08:11 AM
I use TED for my Toppy 5K and the reason I still use it, despite the nearly non existent support from its author, is because one can prioritise programs.  It sold itself as "Tivo like", way before Tivo was sold in Australia.  I have never seen a Tivo in action, so can't say how similar it is to it, but I love it.  It uploads the timers once a day (or as often as I'd like, but I chose once a day) and creates a report telling me what is not being recorded because of a clash.  I can then change things if I don't agree with its choices, but it doesn't happen very often.  Each time I select a show as my favourite, I can choose whether I want SD or HD, only record it from one channel or all the channels, first run only, etc.  I select my choices in seconds when I first mark the program, there is no need to ever touch it again.  I have become addicted to it, and as I wouldn't know how use anything that required programming knowledge, I'd be lost without it.  I also use Windows Media Centre as a backup, with Ice Interactive.  Even though I don't record much with it, clashes still happen, usually when something I have forgotten about having even set a timer for comes back on line after a long time off.  When (fingers and toes crossed) my Toppy 5K gives up the ghost, I would be lost without something similar to TED.  Might have to buy a Tivo!  :o
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: tonydav on March 14, 2011, 09:26:59 PM
Quote from: markb on March 12, 2011, 01:15:05 AM
My 2c of comment.

Eventually I realised that the clashes can only really be satisfactorily dealt with by human resolve. So I changed my program to merely email me whenever it detects a clash. The email tells me the clashed programs etc and I resolve them manually. With my families (admittedly light) viewing habits, I only get about 2 emails a year so it works well for me and I suspect for many others. So perhaps ICE could also consider adding an "email on timer clash" option?

I'd still like an optional priority scheme, but I think an e-mail option is also essential. Basically I'd be happy with a 1-5 rating but with an e-mail being sent if their are clashes between same priority items.

In the interim, just an e-mail would be really helpful and I wouldn't think that hard to implement.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: awoods on August 22, 2011, 03:33:49 PM
+1  "Priority for taping multiple shows"

+1 "Priority between multiple machines"

+100  "Email alert of recording conflicts, or other problems"
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: GarFin on August 22, 2011, 03:53:39 PM
+101  "Email alert of recording conflicts, or other problems" :)
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: RodSmith on October 17, 2011, 08:58:08 PM
OK - given the age of this thread, it seems people have been asking for a recording clash/priority setting feature for some time now.

Do any of the Beyonwiz PVR models have this capability yet? I have an old DP-P1 that I'm thinking of replacing next year. For the most part I've been happy with it, but channel/show prioritisation is quite a desirable feature for me and it will most likely influence which new PVR I purchase.

If no Beyonwiz model can do this, can anyone suggest other PVRs on the market in Australia that DO feature this option?
Cheers,
RJS
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: prl on October 18, 2011, 07:14:23 AM
Quote from: RodSmith on October 17, 2011, 08:58:08 PM
...
Do any of the Beyonwiz PVR models have this capability yet? I have an old DP-P1 that I'm thinking of replacing next year. For the most part I've been happy with it, but channel/show prioritisation is quite a desirable feature for me and it will most likely influence which new PVR I purchase.

If no Beyonwiz model can do this, can anyone suggest other PVRs on the market in Australia that DO feature this option?
...
What's being asked for in this topic is an IceTV capability, not a PVR capability. With a few exceptions, and those mainly based on their hardware (e.g. single or dual tuner, built-in recording from analog, built-in recording HDD), Beyonwiz firmware all has pretty much the same features. No Beyonwiz models have this capability.

IIRC there are Topfield TAPs that add a capability like this to Topfields that can have TAPs.

TiVos have prioritisation built in to the way they record shows, but I don't have one, so I don't know exactly how it works.
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: ianoverseas on June 17, 2012, 04:45:49 PM
+1 for prioritising recordings

Really surprised this feature is not included - perhaps EyeTV should be handling that?
Title: Re: Priority for taping multiple shows?
Post by: prl on June 17, 2012, 10:38:33 PM
Quote from: ianoverseas on June 17, 2012, 04:45:49 PM
+1 for prioritising recordings

Really surprised this feature is not included - perhaps EyeTV should be handling that?

Quote from: prl on October 18, 2011, 07:14:23 AM
... What's being asked for in this topic is an IceTV capability, not a PVR capability ...
and so probably doesn't really belong in the Beyonwiz area.