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Offline depredador

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Flashpoint
« on: January 15, 2009, 08:42:05 PM »
Yourtv.com.au says there's a new episode on Monday and IceTV has nothing. Who is right?

Madeleine IceGuide

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2009, 09:35:50 AM »
Hi

"Flashpoint" has been scheduled for Sunday evening, based on our observance of on-air promos. If/when we have information about a screening on Monday then the schedule for Channel Nine will be amended.

We appreciate feedback from subscribers but FYI, scheduling for Channel Nine and affiliate stations is currently subject to court orders. We cannot use information gleaned from third-party guides, eg. the YourTV website, to amend EPG data for ch9.

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2009, 11:08:37 AM »
FYI (even though you cannot use this information) at least others can then set up recordings manually

Ninemsm website TV guide for Melbourne has
Flashpoint - Sunday and Monday at 20:30
The Mentalist - Sunday at 21:30

Madeleine IceGuide

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 11:45:54 AM »
Hi

Yes, it's certainly fine for others to reference third party guides themselves and use this information (we do realise this rather defeats the purpose of having a guide, however the situation with 9 is beyond our control right now).

Primetime slots are generally promoted on-air, though sometimes only a day or two before, so I suspect Flashpoint & The Mentalist will be amended over the weekend. We recommend subscribers regularly (ie. daily) update the guide to get the latest info on 9 & affilates. 

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 01:18:56 PM »
So how come YourTV, Yahoo and Ourguide are allowed to have it listed and you're not  ???

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2009, 03:03:19 PM »
I assume you never followed any of the details of the whole EPG debacle?   NineMSN owns the company that supplies the EPG data to all those websites and newspapers (HWW).  They do license it, but speculation is that they refused to license to ICETV.   
Give this a go, a lot of good info:
http://www.google.com.au/search?q=site%3Adtvforum.info+Nine+yourtv+EPG+hww

(It looks like HWW owns yourtv actually too, read the copyright message and follow the corporate spiel from there).
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« Last Edit: January 16, 2009, 03:20:21 PM by tonymy01 »
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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 03:31:31 PM »
Yahoo7 aren't owned by 9 and work with Tivo. That doesn't exactly make sense.

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 04:50:19 PM »
All broadcasters are sent each others EPG.   EPG is (apparently, but this is part of the whole court case of Nine vs ICETV) IP and thus copyright.   Supposedly the networks (well, Nine for the court case) believe it took intelligence to come up with the scheduling and thus the time and title listing information is intellectual property and subject to copyright.   It seems strange that they don't want other companies publishing the schedule, as it works against them for people knowing what the heck is actually on, but if you read the original court proceedings that Nine took against ICE, you will see that the networks are more concerned about people skipping adverts and copying shows, and they believe that having an EPG like that provided by ICE is the vehicle to allow this to happen.   Stupid, I know, but read the court proceedings and bash your head against the wall for how stupid the whole thing sounds.
You might want to read here: http://www.itwire.com/content/view/19617/53/ to see what a community of concerned users tried to put together to rally the government etc to say that it was ridiculous for a court case like Nine vs ICE to go through and that full free access to EPG should be put in place as part of a regulation for broadcasters.   The form answers given by the pollies were garbage (see the xpmediacentre forums for some of these).

Back to yahoo7, look at the bottom of their page:
Copyright © 2009 HWW Pty Limited
Make Yahoo!7 Your Home Page | Get Yahoo!7 Toolbar with Anti-Spy
Copyright © 2009 Yahoo! Pty Limited. All rights reserved.
Advertise with Us - Privacy Policy - Terms of Service - Help

So again there is that company HWW, owned supposedly (I read it on dtvforum.info so it must be true :)) by NineMSN... HWW own the only EPG distribution out there directly associated with the broadcasters, and they will not license it to anyone they feel will compete with them in any way.

Here, read what HWW says:
http://www.hww.com.au/syndication/tv/index.cfm?action=copyright
Also on the corporate info on HWW web (in the news section):
3 April 2006
Ninemsn acquires HWW

It might not make sense that yahoo7 uses HWW info when HWW is owned by NineMSN, but this is how it is in this dirty world we call "business" (and even dirtier to have all sorts of silly copyright/IP garbage surrounding it).
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« Last Edit: January 16, 2009, 05:02:55 PM by tonymy01 »

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 05:20:01 PM »
EPG is (apparently, but this is part of the whole court case of Nine vs ICETV) IP and thus copyright. ...
I doubt whether IceTV would dispute that an EPG is copyright. After all, they say their EPG is copyright.

The IceTV vs Nine case is about whether IceTV's use of Nine's program guide breaches the copyright that Nine has on their program guide.

Also, something is not copyright because it's IP (Intellectual Property), it's IP because it's copyright. IP is a broader term that includes both copyright and patents (and other stuff).
« Last Edit: January 16, 2009, 05:26:58 PM by prl »
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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2009, 05:48:03 PM »
Very confusing. Do they own Ebroadcast as well?

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2009, 06:40:38 PM »
This will can that idea: http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/copyright.html
specifically:
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Specifically, each TV schedule is not to be, in any way, downloaded or used in conjunction with any software or device, such as any end-user equipment or a set top box, which permits manipulation of the program listings, or which permits scheduled program recording.

Madeleine IceGuide

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Re: Flashpoint
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2009, 07:52:49 PM »
Hi

Our case involving Channel Nine is quite complex and has been ongoing for a couple of years now.

The crux of it is that at the moment scheduling for channel 9 and affiliates is subject to a June 2008 order, which restrains us from using certain sources to amend EPG data. The High Court of Australia heard the case in mid October 2008, however a judgement has not yet been handed down. This has turned into a significant IP/copyright case that could change Australian copyright law. Until the matter is resolved, the schedule for 9 will continue to be affected.

The other thing to note is that while we cannot amend EPG data based on info from third party guides, we can when it is information from live TV, eg. while watching the cricket you see an ad for Flashpoint on Monday night.

Hope this explains things more clearly.

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