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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #15 on: November 04, 2015, 04:02:52 PM »
Given that they listed the company going into Administration as on of the bad points I'm amazed they the Skippa at 64% (perhaps they didn't realize that the Skippa becomes a brick without IceTV.

I can only take that it would have rated much higher without the Administration issue.
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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #16 on: November 04, 2015, 04:18:16 PM »
I doubt that it would have rated any higher at all...

They show how they came out with the scores, and being in administration, whilst definitely an issue that I would consider important if i was choosing a new unit, is not part of their scoring matrix. Possibly it lost a little bit for that but when looking at how they score them, you can see that it didn't really come into it.

I personally don't think that the review is worth 2 knobs of goat turd, so anyone that puts faith into its findings is going to find that out the hard way.

PVR units like this need real world testing, not just scores based on feature sets and power consumption. The review is worthless. Look at the T3 scoring higher than the T4...

Lol. Thats a joke right there let alone anything else. The T3 is a POS compared to the T4 in terms of both hardware quality, speed and features.

It's a typical choice review, completed without any actual experience of the products themselves.




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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #17 on: November 04, 2015, 04:52:54 PM »
PVR units like this need real world testing, not just scores based on feature sets and power consumption. The review is worthless. Look at the T3 scoring higher than the T4...

Lol. Thats a joke right there let alone anything else. The T3 is a POS compared to the T4 in terms of both hardware quality, speed and features.
I saw that the T3 was rated higher compared to the T4 and wondered that and then thought and could see why they did that. The T3 has almost the same features as the T4 but is quite a bit cheaper.

But I'm interested by your assessment of the T3 compared to the T4. A friend who replaced a T3 with a T4 noticed very little difference. I have a T3 and have only had a few goes with the T4.

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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #18 on: November 04, 2015, 05:05:51 PM »
It's a typical choice review, completed without any actual experience of the products themselves.

Don't disagree.  I can see that its difficult to compare this type of produce.

The things that make one unit stand out from the others is usually minor in context with what they compare on. It's usually a personal choice as well.

One of the things I really like about the Skippa is the fact that when two programs being recorded follow each other, the padding applies to both recordings. Something my Toppys don't do. Whether something like this would be captured in a Choice review is doubtful. It's something that you only develop an appreciation for when you miss something critical to a story between recordings.


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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #19 on: November 04, 2015, 05:23:18 PM »
The things that make one unit stand out from the others is usually minor in context with what they compare on. It's usually a personal choice as well.

One of the things I really like about the Skippa is the fact that when two programs being recorded follow each other, the padding applies to both recordings. Something my Toppys don't do. Whether something like this would be captured in a Choice review is doubtful. It's something that you only develop an appreciation for when you miss something critical to a story between recordings.
Those things do make a difference, don't they. The old beyonwizes didn't do that but the newer T series do that same thing.

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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2015, 05:45:24 PM »
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How did your friend notice little difference? OMG...

This is a  simple explanation of the difference between them, there's a lot more to it than this, but ill be brief...I have both units BTY..

The T3 hardware is poor. It's like the S1 when it first came out, almost a beta of a P1 and P2. Lots and lots of areas of common fault and breakdown, especially the tuners. The T4 is HUGELY improved hardware wise. That alone is not "testable" without choice taking them apart and evaluating them, but even then without real world experience about the hardware its impossible to properly test that point, so in other words no review like Choice completed will ever reliably report these things...

So hardware quality aside lets look at the T4 differences... Well compared to the T3, the T4 has...

* Gig LAN vs 100mb
* HDMI IN vs no input
* WAAAAAAYYYYYY FASTER CPU vs SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW - I cannot believe that your friend didn't notice a difference in boot time alone, its close to 3 times faster at booting up from deep standby.
* Hardware quality improvements beyond belief
* IMHO better quality tuners
* 4 of them too vs 3 in the T3
* Way better OLED front display vs similar crappy display to the older wizes, that on many machines has uneven brightness from one side to the other (another wonderful quality control issue on the T3)
* Vastly simpler and improved PSU
* Actual 1080p output vs 1080i

I really am amazed he couldn't notice any difference... They are like chalk and cheese.

I've been testing a T3 to train up my wife on it before I purchased the T4, and even she has noticed a huge difference.




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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #21 on: November 04, 2015, 06:02:32 PM »
So hardware quality aside lets look at the T4 differences... Well compared to the T3, the T4 has...

I really am amazed he couldn't notice any difference... They are like chalk and cheese.

I've been testing a T3 to train up my wife on it before I purchased the T4, and even she has noticed a huge difference.
Interesting the value those things are to different people:
* Gig LAN vs 100mb - only streaming so hasn't noticed any impact in LAN speed
* HDMI IN vs no input - doesn't use it
* WAAAAAAYYYYYY FASTER CPU vs SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW - I cannot believe that your friend didn't notice a difference in boot time alone, its close to 3 times faster at booting up from deep standby. - Doesn't switch it to deep standby so boot time isn't affected, but the faster processor is noticeable.
* Hardware quality improvements beyond belief - but would a user notice until it failed as you mentioned
* IMHO better quality tuners - didn't notice that much difference
* 4 of them too vs 3 in the T3 - free usb tuner in the T3 gives you 4 tuners
* Way better OLED front display vs similar crappy display to the older wizes, that on many machines has uneven brightness from one side to the other (another wonderful quality control issue on the T3) - used to sit in cupboard so didn't see the screen but the T4 gets much hotter than the T3 so had to be removed from the cupboard
* Vastly simpler and improved PSU - again, hoping not to have to worry about the difference
* Actual 1080p output vs 1080i - but most digital tv is still SD

As I said, it's just interesting how user requirements vary so much and I can see that a T4 is better than a T3 but it offers little new extra functionality for the extra price. It's like a newer model with improved hardware rather than a next model up. Like going from an iphone5 to an iPhone5s.

The main thing he noticed was the faster speed and that it gets a lot hotter.

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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #22 on: November 04, 2015, 07:06:49 PM »
Ok, well that's a fair call I guess Simon, it does depend on whats important to you i suppose, looking at it from your perspective you have a valid point...

Having said that, I'm looking at it more from a review point of view in terms of differences.

There is NO WAY that the T3 should have rated higher than the T4 and there is NO WAY i would ever recommend a T3, like ever, over a T4...

I think choice have it very wrong...

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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #23 on: November 04, 2015, 07:16:15 PM »
Ok, well that's a fair call I guess Simon, it does depend on whats important to you i suppose, looking at it from your perspective you have a valid point...

Having said that, I'm looking at it more from a review point of view in terms of differences.

There is NO WAY that the T3 should have rated higher than the T4 and there is NO WAY i would ever recommend a T3, like ever, over a T4...

I think choice have it very wrong...
I'll admit I haven't seen the choice article in detail and agree it is odd. The fact that they were rated roughly the same makes me think the assessment was based on functionality that the two share and are similar in - and very little credit would go to the T4 being able to do each function faster or better etc. Also, the T4 is roughly 30% more expensive than a T3, so there is that.

But I agree with your point, I wouldn't recommend a T3 over a T4 as the T4 is basically a newer and betterererer T3. If you wanted something cheaper, the T2 is good value with a usb tuner.

Anyway, interesting discussion that just shows how differently items and functions are valued based on peoples requirements. I know you've had a long history working on the insides of pvrs which adds a different insight too.

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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2015, 12:12:09 PM »
... Well compared to the T3, the T4 has...

[snip]

* IMHO better quality tuners


This is the only place I could find your opinion on quality of tuners in the T series.

What is your opinion of the tuners in the T2? Do they come up to the standard of those in the T4?

Also how would the tuner quality of a T2 compare to that of a  Hauppauge WinTV-HVR-2200?
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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2015, 12:54:50 PM »
That's probably because I haven't posted a lot on the T series and their hardware.

The T3 was actually the first released in the T series, and the hardware is less than impressive, IMHO.

The T4 and the T2 are both way improved in terms of hardware, but unfortunately I have never personally tested the tuners in the T2 or the hauppauge either so can't really comment on how they perform.


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Re: Choice PVR review - November 2015
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2015, 02:34:10 PM »
The T4 and the T2 are both way improved in terms of hardware, but unfortunately I have never personally tested the tuners in the T2 or the hauppauge either so can't really comment on how they perform.

Thanks for the response.


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