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Ahh, so I'm not the only one to see this.  I've seen it on two machines where there has been extended breaks between refreshes.  

I didn't need to do anything more than re-run the setup, enter my UID and PWD, and get latest listings from in MCE.  I didn't even need to exit from MCE while re-registering, but something fishy is going on.



Yahoo! Widget / Re: IceTV Widget 1.02 released!
« on: December 05, 2005, 08:43:17 PM »
I like the would you like to update from the widget.  Nice. ;)

Windows XP Media Center Edition / Re: Guide times wrong for DST?
« on: October 30, 2005, 09:10:09 PM »
There doesn't seem to be an elegant fix, although I think it will be correct tomorrow.
Peter, would dropping all "pre changeover" data from the guide fix this - e.g. start the guide data from 3am today?  Then we could force a refresh.

MCE does not cope with "holes" in the guide, it assumes that programs always follow on from each other.
Alternatively, could you schedule a filler hour from 2am to 3am to push the subsequent data out?

...we will be doubly alert (but not alarmed) when the Commonwealth Games rolls around.
Luckily, for Victoria at least, DST runs through to the end of March this year.  Hmmm, I wonder if Microsoft are aware of that, or if they'll need to issue a DST fix like they did for the 2000 Olympics?

Windows XP Media Center Edition / Guide times wrong for DST?
« on: October 30, 2005, 10:06:34 AM »
I've got my various PCs set to observe DST.

For the last few days, I've noticed that the times scheduled in the guide for shows after the changeover to DST were an hour forward - e.g. ABC News that would be at 7pm showed up at 8pm in the guide.

I also noticed that the guide display "knew" about the DST cutover - shows ended at 2am on Sunday morning, but the next show started at 3am.

I figured everything would be OK this morning - but it's not.  Shows that should start at 7:30, show up as starting at 8:30.

If I set my PC clock to not observe DST, (and the time is an hour earlier on my PC), then the times displayed are correct - e.g. a show that should start at 7:30 shows that it will start at 7:30 - but of course when my PC thinks it's 7:30, it's already 8:30.

If I set my PC clock to not observe DST - and set the time to the correct DST time, it's all OK - shows schedule correctly.  The problem with that, of course, is that all the DST aware applications don't work correctly - so appointments with people interstate are all shifted.

I have forgotten exactly how I handled this (if at all) in QuickGuide, and assumed that these shows would show up correctly after DST.  From memory, though, the guide information should be presented as GMT, so MCE adjusts the GMT time to local time.  I think that's the problem now with iceTV (especially since theres a "your time zone" option in your account settings).  iceTV seems to be presenting the guide data in local time rather than GMT.


Windows XP Media Center Edition / Re: Series not picked up by Channel
« on: October 28, 2005, 01:48:47 PM »
I used to notice this occasionally with QuickGuide - but not all the time.

I haven't noticed it with iceTV lately, but have noticed it occasionally with iceTV as well.

I don't know whether its related to the guide data (perhaps spaces in program titles are significant, perhaps?) or just an occasional MCE bug - which shows up even when using an official guide.

If you google, you can find references to this problem that appear to be where MCE is being fed by an official guide as well.



Windows XP Media Center Edition / Re: MCE Rollup 2 testing with IceGuide
« on: October 16, 2005, 07:58:42 PM »
As per scritch's comment - all good now (after banging my head against the ATI 9700 AIW brick wall - MCE now recognises the analog tuner in this - but fails to initialise it.  I've uninstalled and reinstalled my DTV drivers about 15 times, before "just in case" disabling the ATI tuner.

Windows XP Media Center Edition / Sort order for Search, Sort by Name
« on: September 07, 2005, 08:38:50 PM »

It's been pointed out that when using the Guide to Search, Categories, ..., Sort by Name, the sort order is incorrect for data supplied by QuickGuide.   I've noticed the same for the iceTV feed - the sort order seems to be a strange amalgam of sort by channel, then title, but with a bunch of stuff at the top of the list in no obvious order.

Apparently (I haven't tested this), sorting the XML feed by title fixes this issue for Quickguide.

Worth trying for iceTV?



Windows XP Media Center Edition / New QuickGuide Release
« on: June 01, 2005, 05:34:13 PM »
Release Candiate 2 is now available from the releases section of the QuickGuide homepage at

This release truncates program descriptions to 507 characters where there is also a program episode title.  It appears that if there is no episode title, MCE can cope with descriptions up to 1023 chars.  However, if there is an episode title (aka sub-title), the MCE GUI (ehshell.dll) crashes when attempting to display guide information for programs if the description is more than 507 characters.

The only change between RC1 and RC2 is this change, and the only file that was changed is QuickGuide.exe, so that's all you need to replace in either an installer, or on your system.

Peter, Russell & other icetv people - feel free to grab this, include it in your files section.



XMLTV (General) / Re: iceguide broken - or just my account?
« on: May 21, 2005, 09:17:12 PM »
Thanks Russel,

That explains it.  I was excluding the channel list, for two reasons - firstly, I could easily see when new channels were being added, and secondly because I had had intermittent problems when I did specify a channel list - for some reason, ABC 2 in Melbourne wasn't always being provided when I specified a channel list, but was always there when I left the list off (thus specifying all channels).

Seems to be working with the channel list at the moment.  I'll let you know in a new thread if I see an instance of ABC 2 not appearing.



XMLTV (General) / iceguide broken - or just my account?
« on: May 21, 2005, 02:06:48 PM » just returning the channel list only (attached).

Is it just my account?

using webget "" -u myuserid -p mypassword -o icetvguide.xml

but I see the same thing when I enter the URL in my browser.


XMLTV (General) / Re: webget failing ???
« on: April 21, 2005, 07:10:29 PM »
You need to update ChannelInfo to use the channel ids specified in the xmltv file - e.g. Channel 2 (ABC) Melbourne is Channel ID 9 in the iceguide.

Therefore you would have
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for example.



XMLTV (General) / Invalid Characters / Dodgy Characters
« on: April 11, 2005, 06:21:47 PM »
E.G. ABC Sydney & Melbourne (Channel 2 & 9), Australian Story for tonight (11 April) - ICETV Ep Num 35611 & 36672:
Description contains climbed Ball&#226;&#128;&#153;s Pyramid and ends with waiting&#226;&#128;&#166;.

Other characters (eg é in café) are correctly escaped (&#233;), but it looks like apostrophes amongst other things are being incorrectly handled.



Windows XP Media Center Edition / Re: HOWTO: ICEguide for MCE now available
« on: February 25, 2005, 08:30:25 AM »
Hi arkay,

re your comments:

  • A windows installer isn't going to help much, because I'm pretty sure that it cannot turn off security on .net, which is one of the steps required.
  • This is pretty much impossible (and I've tried it).  It would require that I get the current list of channels as defined in MCE (which I can do), and map them to the list of channels as defined in the XML feed.  That's a job that might be possible if there was one feed of XML data, or all feeds used the same channel names.  Unfortunately, there are many feeds of channel data, all use different channel names, and some feeds have more channels than are defined in MCE.  An alternative is to pick a very high virtual channel number (not currently in use in MCE), and start numbering channels from there.  However, that would then require that the user maps every channel in the feed to the channels in MCE - a big job if the user has a foxtel (or other cable) feed, for example.  Using dumper and editing the names is pretty straight forward, is a once off, and then means that the feed is always usable by MCE.  I've chosen the trade off of supporting users all around the world with pretty much any XMLTV feed - quickguide can usually get it into MCE.
  • The reg hack could be done by an installer - if an installer could do the rest.
  • dialling - wot - you don't have broadband?
  • sheduled event - yes, again possible, but when, how, logged on as who?  I'd have to recreate half a dozen forms around scheduling a job (does it wake the PC, for example), what account, etc - which are all in the add scheduled task wizard.
Now, on the other hand, if someone wants to have a crack at the installer or any of the other suggestions - the source is out there, and there's no copyright.  I guess I'm saying that I'm going to spend the little time I have to spend on this on improving the ability for quickguide to handle any XMLTV feed, and get it into MCE.  Now I'm working on program attributes such as movie, widescreen, repeat, HD, subtitled, ratings, so they show up in the guide.  I sort of figure that if someone finds it on the forums, there's a fair chance they'll get it working.  If I wanted to sell it or package it with hardware, I'd have a bigger job - but also the expectation of income.

I'm pleased, though that you found the program useful.

Re Dr Who - there's a good chance it maps to a category that is defined in your MOVIES categor in EPGXMLWriterParts - if that's the case, remove the MOVIE attribute from the MOVIES category as a workaround - though the next version should address this.



Hi Shane,

I'm sure there is a way to make MCE update it's guide information while it is running - MCE obviously uses it - but I don't know what it is, or whether it is exposed within the MCE libraries that I can see.

This question has been asked on the Green Button forums, and I haven't yet seen a good answer.

With the way quickguide tells MCE to reload it's guide data, MCE sees updated guide info simply by exiting from the MCE shell back to the desktop, and restarting the MCE shell.  No need to kill all MCE processes (though perhaps if MCE is recording this might not be true).

Best bet is if you can find a time when you know you don't want any recordings (say 3am), the schedule QuickGuide then with the /reboot parameter. Assuming you've got power management and autologon set, your PC will reboot, restart, then standby or hibernate after the timeout.  Next time you go into MCE, it's got the up to date guide info.

Other than that, I could probably send a message to MCE to exit, then restart, but if you're watching while that happens, you won't want that.  I'll have a look at adding a restart MCE shell switch to the next release.


You might need this, which fixes the problems described here:

Also, you'll need to (at least) exit out of MCE after (and preferably before) updating using QuickGuide.  I've seen similar symptoms, but the shows do seem to record.


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