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Hi prl,

Thanks for the heads up. Fixed now.

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General Discussions / Re: Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year
« on: December 21, 2016, 06:44:38 PM »
It was an 'annus horribilis' and without this great team IceTV would not have survived.  I'm proud of them :)

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HD Home Run get their EPG metadata from 'Gracenote' who, via Tribune Media, now own HWW, the company that was behind our original court case.  They get their data from the broadcasters so are permitted to use the images. I read on various Plex forums (Plex uses the HDHomeRun USB tuner) that that EPG metadata is not available in certain Australian regions and some users are pushing for IceTV's EPG instead

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I should add that, if sufficient Emby users were IceTV subscribers, we could provide our image clips taken within shows but they are nowhere near the quality of specially produced 'cover art' images that you see for movies.

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Hi denny09,

Unfortunately a solution to the problem is constrained by Australian copyright law.

To give you some background on IceTV so you understand my reticence...

From about April 2006 IceTV fought a 3.5 year battle against Channel NINE after they sued IceTV whilst IceTV was in the middle of a capital raising to list on the ASX.  Their grounds were that we breached copyright by reproducing various parts of the EPG that was produced by their subsidiary HWW Pty Ltd.  Google it and you'll find the details.  We eventually won with a unanimous decision in the Australian High Court.  Nevertheless, as in most commercial litigation, the victory was somewhat phyric as only about half costs are recovered and IceTV had been denied the capital it intended to raise by the IPO, so was starved of funds going forward.

The use of 'thumbnails' is not necessarily permitted unless the content owner, who has produced the 'thumbnail', gives permission to the broadcaster for their use in the broadcaster's promotions, and those uses will be constrained by the relevant contract(s).  The 'thumbnail' is undoubtedly copyright as it has an 'author' who would have designed it whilst in the employ of the studio or content owner.

In the USA there is a section of their copyright law called 'Fair Use' which may, or may not, permit the free use of these 'thumbnails' by the likes Emby, Kodi, Plex and so forth.  But it may be they just get away with it as the owner is happy for the promotion of the work to be done for free.  But that doesn't mean the law is not being broken.  I am aware that the studios in the USA are looking closely at Kodi due to it's prevalence in the replay of pirated movies.

In Australia our similar law is called "Fair Dealing' but it has a higher threshold of permitted use and our lawyers have stated that we cannot just take those 'thumbnails' without permission, which we would never get.  Just as we couldn't get access to the EPG metadata and had to find ways to construct it ourselves and fight a battle to the High Court to prove we were entitled to do it as we do.

So what we do for our own 'thumbnails' is to take snippets of the broadcasted show which is an insubstantial image in copyright law and use those for 'thumbnails'.  We can't use the proper promotional 'thumbnail as that is a unique piece of work and copyright in itself.

If we were to try to 'push the boundaries' and use the proper promotional image(s) I am certain that the long memories at the various commercial TV stations, smarting at their loss to my little company, would quickly seize the opportunity to sue us again and this time with far more certainty of winning.

As for the use by Emby, and others, in Australia I'm assuming they are just getting away with it as they are difficult targets to sue from here when their actual operations are based overseas.

I hope that answers your questions, and similar ones that get asked by others at various times.

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IceTV EPG Content / Re: Failed Timers
« on: November 09, 2016, 01:05:09 PM »
The cache in the API has been cleaned and restarted, I have also set it so that all shows will be re-downloaded now, the log is all looking good, those affected PVR's should all come good now.

Will investigate further.

Daniel Hall
CTO

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General Discussions / Re: New Layout
« on: October 28, 2016, 05:26:52 PM »
We are aware of it and it will be fixed.  It's not easy to get a completely new website perfect at first go...

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General Discussions / Re: Can't log in - can't renew
« on: October 28, 2016, 09:23:07 AM »
Hi everyone,

We did a complete website update late last night and worked until the small hours.  There are obviously a few remaining bugs related to many new urls we had to create.  I'd expect them to be cleared up by midday.  Apologies for the inconvenience.

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SKIPPA / Re: Skippa Service Down?
« on: October 28, 2016, 08:05:37 AM »
Hi everyone,  apologies for the glitch.  Dan was up until the wee hours bringing our new website live and many urls needed changing.  If you can bear with us until about noon Dan will have got some sleep and these final url bugs will be ironed out.

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IceTV EPG Content / Re: New shows
« on: May 09, 2016, 07:09:45 PM »
Noted.

I don't wish to seek excuses as I know how hard my guide team works but have a look at this, especially the last para:  http://www.acma.gov.au/Industry/Broadcast/Television/TV-content-regulation/electronic-program-guides-tv-content-regulation-acma

So there is no legislated way of getting the networks to keep reliable EPG data, note the update on 14/4/16.  'Can't say the update was constructive, whatever it was...

In the 11 years I've owned part, and now all, of IceTV we've grown from 5 channels to 17.  The growth would be fine as it's our business and we have to 'grow with the flow', but since the new channels were added late last year we have never seen so many constant and ambiguous last-minute changes to the EPG. Trying to keep on top of new shows whilst chasing show schedule changes, frequently unique to a capital city, is an onerous workload for all the team.  But we are learning and improving our tracking methods so please bear with us. Quite what the commercial networks think they are achieving in an 'appointment viewing' scenario, when the appointments are unknown, is beyond me! If an EPG update for a repeat flag or whatever isn't done until a day before the show is to be recorded it will still get recorded correctly as long as your PVR logs on for EPG updates.  If a New Show isn't listed just let us know and we'll post it, and probably add it to our IcePicks email.  All your constructive post are helpful to all our customers and my team appreciate them enormously.

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IceTV EPG Content / Re: New shows
« on: May 09, 2016, 06:26:51 PM »
...and your constructive post was appreciated.

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IceTV EPG Content / Re: New shows
« on: May 09, 2016, 06:01:06 PM »
...That is it aired in the UK in Oct 2015.  This is the first ep in Oz of that season.

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IceTV EPG Content / Re: New shows
« on: May 09, 2016, 05:59:05 PM »
This season of Lewis started airing in Oct 2015. It is in Coming Soon and our eDM today.  What's your problem?

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IceTV EPG Content / Re: New shows
« on: May 09, 2016, 03:17:43 PM »
I follow every forum conversation.  It seems to me that Tezza said 'Seems only the rubbish gets put into Coming Soon'. Am I to assume he didn't mean IceTV only puts rubbish in Coming Soon.  So who does put it in? prl usefully alerted us to the fact it was a new season and some people, me included, like the show.  So we responded and listed it.
 

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IceTV EPG Content / Re: New shows
« on: May 09, 2016, 03:00:20 PM »
If you think that's 'rubbish' maybe you'd like to make some suggestions?

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