IceTV Forum

IceTV General => General Discussions => Topic started by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on September 30, 2007, 05:27:56 PM

Title: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on September 30, 2007, 05:27:56 PM
As of 1st October 2007 Channel Ten (in capital cities) will change there channel lineup to be the following:


The main change here is that channel 1 which was previously in Standard Definition will now be High Definition.

Anyone using channel 1 for recordings should change this to be channel 10.

On the morning of the 1st October we will be performing a check to ensure that this change goes through, once it does the guide will be updated with the new channel numbers.

Once the change is done the majority of PVR's will require a re-scan of the channels, all PVR's will need to re-map the channels. The best option to do this is a re-setup of the guide for your PVR, the details of which are located on our Support page at http://www.icetv.com.au/cgi-bin/websupport.cgi?op=list_faqs&faq_cat_id=26 (http://www.icetv.com.au/cgi-bin/websupport.cgi?op=list_faqs&faq_cat_id=26).
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: JPP on September 30, 2007, 05:54:54 PM
Hi Daniel,

Does anyone know why Channel 10 doesn't (or doesn't want to) follow the "standard" convention that every other channel uses? What is the problem with 1 for SD and 10 for HD? I know it's not following the channel's normal "call sign", i.e one zero, but it makes life a lot easier as just one button press is needed to select it, just like channel 2SD/20HD, 7SD/70HD and 9SD/90HD? Makes life much easier to select channels - that's so obvious that I must be missing something. I've always wondered why we have LCN 12 for Chan 10 HD (was it just so that people would not inadvertently try to tune to channel 10 SD and would not get anything on their SD boxes?)
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on September 30, 2007, 06:06:04 PM
Not sure actually, previously they probably kept 1 as Ten so that like 7 and 9 they had a single number option for quick channel changing (whereas channel number 10 would be two numbers).

No idea at all as to why they used channel 12 instead of 100, but its probably the same deal, two numbers instead of three.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Eaglehawk on September 30, 2007, 08:17:42 PM
Probably a stupid question, but does Canberra count as a "capital city"?
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on September 30, 2007, 09:17:03 PM
In this case probably not, it shouldn't affect any areas that receive "Southern Cross Ten", just "Ten".

Good rule of thumb, if the channel numbers you currently have for "Ten" are 5 and 50 then you should be fine, if you receive "Ten" on 1, 10 and 12 then it will change.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: bodogbodog on September 30, 2007, 10:42:49 PM
if the channel numbers you currently have for "Ten" are 5 and 50 then you should be fine, if you receive "Ten" on 1, 10 and 12 then it will change.

I"m using Vista media center - how do I tell what channel numbers I'm using for 10 and 10HD - I've looked under Settings/Guide but cant see anything obvious to tell me what channels I'm tuned to

As I just had to rescan and setup all my recording after have to install the hotfix for "lost channels" I'd like to avoid having to rescan all my channels and resetting my recording schedule - is there a way to do this yet still get the new correct channels for Channel 10's?
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on September 30, 2007, 11:16:09 PM
if the channel numbers you currently have for "Ten" are 5 and 50 then you should be fine, if you receive "Ten" on 1, 10 and 12 then it will change.

I"m using Vista media center - how do I tell what channel numbers I'm using for 10 and 10HD - I've looked under Settings/Guide but cant see anything obvious to tell me what channels I'm tuned to

As I just had to rescan and setup all my recording after have to install the hotfix for "lost channels" I'd like to avoid having to rescan all my channels and resetting my recording schedule - is there a way to do this yet still get the new correct channels for Channel 10's?

If you have not changed the channel order then under "Settings" => "TV" => "Guide" and then "Edit Channels" the numbers listed next to each channel are the channel numbers. Unfortunately one of the downsides of installing the "lost channels" patch means that the channel list will not automatically update as background scanning is disabled to stop 7 and SBS from re-scanning themselves.

If you have changed the channel order then unfortunately there is no way to tell what the channel numbers are.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: bodogbodog on September 30, 2007, 11:32:11 PM
Unfortunately one of the downsides of installing the "lost channels" patch means that the channel list will not automatically update as background scanning is disabled to stop 7 and SBS from re-scanning themselves.

If you have changed the channel order then unfortunately there is no way to tell what the channel numbers are.

Thanks for the late night support Daniel

I have definitely changed the order of the channels to put them in the right order - and I don't know how anyone could not want to install the "lost channels" patch - I thought I was going nuts with the channels appearing and dissapearing on me!

So basically I need to do a rescan for all the channels and then set them up in the right order - and then go through and setup my recordings again....

I suppose with all these new digital channels coming out this is going to be a regular activity over the coming months?
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on October 01, 2007, 12:03:37 AM
Thanks for the late night support Daniel

I have definitely changed the order of the channels to put them in the right order - and I don't know how anyone could not want to install the "lost channels" patch - I thought I was going nuts with the channels appearing and dissapearing on me!

So basically I need to do a rescan for all the channels and then set them up in the right order - and then go through and setup my recordings again....

I suppose with all these new digital channels coming out this is going to be a regular activity over the coming months?

Definitely agree about the lost channels patch. But yes it is definitely worthwhile doing a new channel scan to get the correct channel information going forward.

The next change for 7 HD will not be until December but even then the channel number will probably not change, just the content so this should not require a new channel scan.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: bodogbodog on October 01, 2007, 12:12:27 AM
Thanks

I think I'm just grumpy because I just installed the patches last Sunday night, did the rescan and setup my recordings - so the thought of doing the rescan and setting up of recordings again so soon isn't something I was expecting so soon

I guess it's only 30 minutes  ;)
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on October 01, 2007, 08:10:16 AM
UPDATE:

As of 8am the channels have not been changed in Sydney as yet.

I will check throughout the day and update when the changes are made by Ten.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on October 01, 2007, 11:23:04 AM
UPDATE 2:

As of 11am Sydney time the channel numbers still haven't changed.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: zoszos68 on October 01, 2007, 02:09:51 PM
I just scanned in Melbourne due to adding a signal amplifier. (bad area for tv where I am).
Still Channel 10 is the same.
Also anyone knno a link to this change did a search last night and the only thing found on the change was the IceTV site. IceTV site. I think I know that place :D
Zos
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Jason W on October 01, 2007, 02:30:48 PM
Also anyone knno a link to this change

The PDF available from http://www.tencorporate.com.au/mediaReleaseDetail.aspx?type=1&id=632 (http://www.tencorporate.com.au/mediaReleaseDetail.aspx?type=1&id=632) states:
Quote
Underscoring its premium status, on any digital-capable device TEN's HD service is located at
channel number 1 (from 1 October) and 12. TEN's SD service is at 10 and the network's video
program guide at 11.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: goldcoastguy on October 01, 2007, 02:39:17 PM
Maybe the public holiday in some states today may mean it wont happen until tomorrow.


Evan :->
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on October 01, 2007, 03:24:20 PM
I've just checked again here in Sydney, and still no change...

It does look more than likely that it will be tomorrow at this stage, but I'll keep checking.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: rtraill on October 01, 2007, 10:21:48 PM
The original post said that all PVRs would need to do a rescan after the change.

If you aren't using Channel 1 at present and don't wish to do so in future why would you need to do a rescan if all the remaining stations are unchanged?  In particular 10 and 12?
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: JPP on October 01, 2007, 10:47:03 PM
I've just checked again here in Sydney, and still no change...

It does look more than likely that it will be tomorrow at this stage, but I'll keep checking.
Maybe they've changed their minds  ;D. For channel surfing enthusiasts, having to punch in 2 digits instead of one is a real bummer - maybe TEN thinks they might loose out on some viewers. Tomorrow will tell I guess.

BTW Daniel, I didn't get one email notification of the new posts in this thread since my last posting - notification enabled and email address is correct - I just checked it. Anyone else having this problem?
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Jason W on October 02, 2007, 06:47:46 AM
Maybe they've changed their minds  ;D. For channel surfing enthusiasts, having to punch in 2 digits instead of one is a real bummer - maybe TEN thinks they might loose out on some viewers.
I think it's a silly idea. LCN 1 should remain as their primary channel (i.e. Ten SD). I hope they have changed their minds for their own sake.

In any case, still the same here on Gold Coast as of now.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: JPP on October 02, 2007, 08:56:36 AM
Maybe they've changed their minds  ;D. For channel surfing enthusiasts, having to punch in 2 digits instead of one is a real bummer - maybe TEN thinks they might loose out on some viewers.
I think it's a silly idea. LCN 1 should remain as their primary channel (i.e. Ten SD). I hope they have changed their minds for their own sake.

Yes, a much smarter idea would be to change the HD LCN to 10 instead of 12. At least they have stayed with the "standard format" 11 for their EPG channel.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: JPP on October 02, 2007, 04:35:31 PM
Well, I think they've seen sense - The SD stream is still on LCN 1 as at 4.30pm today.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on October 02, 2007, 04:37:31 PM
I know, it doesn't seem like the change will go through today looking at the time.

I have put a call into Ten to find out if they still plan on doing the change, we shall wait and see what happens.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on October 02, 2007, 04:38:23 PM
The original post said that all PVRs would need to do a rescan after the change.

If you aren't using Channel 1 at present and don't wish to do so in future why would you need to do a rescan if all the remaining stations are unchanged?  In particular 10 and 12?

If you are not using channel 1 and don't intend to use it for HD there shouldn't be any reason to re-scan the channels, as 12 should be the same as 1.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on October 02, 2007, 05:15:55 PM
Just got more information from channel Ten, it appears that the change for channel 1 to being Ten HD will not happen until late October (unfortunately nothing more specific at this stage).
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: JPP on October 02, 2007, 05:37:50 PM
Just got more information from channel Ten, it appears that the change for channel 1 to being Ten HD will not happen until late October (unfortunately nothing more specific at this stage).
You didn't try to talk them out of it did you? ;D.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: JPP on October 02, 2007, 06:03:42 PM
Just got more information from channel Ten, it appears that the change for channel 1 to being Ten HD will not happen until late October (unfortunately nothing more specific at this stage).
I just spoke with Stephen Powell of Channel 10 - I was told that his position is General Manager. He is fully aware of the issue and he said that internally there is a lot of opposition to the proposed changeover as well.

I put it to him that Joe Public would probably prefer to leave the SD LCN at 1 and make the HD LCN 10 rather than the current 12. He said that that was the most popular view internally as well. The decision to switch to the new scheme is purely a marketing one - Channel TEN's marketing arm believes that now that they air the most advanced HD (1920 x 1080), Joe Public should be made aware of this by having 1 lead him to the HD channel.

I also mentioned that the channel surfing Joe Public might not see it that way and he agreed. However, the decision is entirely out of his hand, but he did say that he would pass my comments on to the marketing department.

What can we do? If you are opposed to this change, give Chan 10 a call and speak to Stephen Powell - phone 9650 1010. So far they appear to have had little feedback from the public, so your voice might just count.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on November 20, 2007, 03:28:12 PM
It looks like Ten have finally made the change listed above, except they have also removed the guide channels.

The new lineup for Channel Ten is:


The guides have been updated to have the new channel numbers in there.

As before if you have troubles picking up the channel or seeing the guide please run through the setup of your device again and you should be up and running.
Title: Re: Ten HD channel number change 1st October 2007
Post by: Matt at IceTV on January 16, 2008, 02:13:32 PM
An official Service Announcement has just been made regarding the 7HD & TenHD Guide listings within the IceTV Guide on the News & Blog section of the IceTV website;

www.icetv.com.au/news/?p=103 (http://www.icetv.com.au/news/?p=103)

We thank all users for remaining patient while we compile our HD Guide listings for these two new Channels.

Cheers,

mattk