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Title: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 09:48:15 AM
I am getting Timer Conflict emails for my Beyonwiz T4, with the conflicting show(s) being on a different channel, day and in many cases time. I have followed the suggestions in "I have unexplained timer conflicts", and all four tuners work fine.

Adding new recordings seems to give new conflicts, but with the same shows.
Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: grumpy_geoff on June 07, 2020, 12:31:07 PM
It sounds like one or two tuners have gone out to lunch permenently (possibly due to the tuner power regulator issue).
How positive are you that all four tuner indicators lit in the infobar when you cycled through tuner allocation / zapping to different broadcasters?

Have you tried rebooting the T4 and then setting a timer from the EPG?
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 01:40:27 PM
To be clear:
1) Unplug T4. Wait 30 secs. Plug back in.
2) When Live TV appears check info bar. Tuner D in use on ABC.
3) Menu->Setup->Tuners->Tuner allocation. Change Preferred Tuner from Tuner D to Tuner A. Green to save.
4) Change channel to SBS.
This works fine.
Repeat for tuners B (CH 9) and C (CH 7). In each case, the tuner id changes on the info bar after changing channels.

All four tuners appear to be working.

5) Go to Ice TV website, find a failed tuner on My Week and select "Reschedule recording on" entry.

6) Five minutes later get a Timer Conflict email.

Anything I am not doing correctly?
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: MD on June 07, 2020, 01:57:37 PM
Are they showing as set in the T4 timer list?  If not will they manually set via the remote?
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 02:15:17 PM
Hmmmm. Interesting. They do not appear in the timer list. Using Green from the guide gives a screen with two columns "New timer" and"Conflicting timers". The New Timer column does not contain the new program, but has one of the conflicting programs listed in all the emails. The other column has the second one from the emails.

There is no mention of the new program.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: grumpy_geoff on June 07, 2020, 02:22:59 PM
Hmmmm. Interesting. They do not appear in the timer list. Using Green from the guide gives a screen with two columns "New timer" and"Conflicting timers". The New Timer column does not contain the new program, but has one of the conflicting programs listed in all the emails. The other column has the second one from the emails.

There is no mention of the new program.

Using OpenWebif (OWIF), take a screenshot of the timer sanity/conflict screen and post it here.

You can also download and use the ShootYourScreen plugin to take screenshots on the T4.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 02:32:17 PM
Will do next time.
I have deleted the recording in the "Conflicting Timers" column, and rescheduled a failed timer.
Just waiting to see if that works.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 02:42:12 PM
OK, after 10 minutes, it has appeared in the Timers list. No email.

I shall reschedule all my failed timers, and when things settle down, recreate the problematic one.

Maybe the problematic one got scrambled somehow in the database, and was always conflicting, and the emails are a little confused.

Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 02:46:24 PM
Curiously, some failed recording entries have an option "Reschedule recording on Beyonwiz T4" and some only have "Reschedule recording on". I have no idea if this is significant or a red herring.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 02:56:13 PM
OK, all failed timers have now appeared in the Timer list.
I have recreated the deleted problematic recordings.
Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 03:15:49 PM
Timer conflict on the problem recording:
Quote
Show Name:    In Search Of...
Channel:    SBS VICELAND HD
Time:    2020-Jun-08 20:30:00
Duration:    50
Device Label:    Beyonwiz T4
Device Type:    Beyonwiz T4
Message from recorder:    Timer conflict: 'In Search Of...', 'New Tricks'
Last Updated:    2020-06-07 15:07:06

Attempting to create a timer for "In Search Of" from the Guide gave the attached screen.
"New Tricks" has not appeared in any previous errors. "In Search Of" was the previous conflict.

Suggestions?
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: grumpy_geoff on June 07, 2020, 03:49:18 PM
Weird that it's just one timer.

What firmware version is the T4 running?
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 03:58:55 PM
Firmware version:   beyonwiz 19.3.20191106 (19.3-273-g6f501ae)
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 07, 2020, 05:45:21 PM
So, I deleted the conflicting New Tricks episode, and then went for a walk. After about an hour, everything is fine, with no other effort on my part. The failed show has scheduled OK. ???
I can only assume that these "conflicting" recordings were jumbled somehow, and deleting them cleared everything up. I must have had a few of them, so it took a while to clear out the mess.

It all seems OK now.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: grumpy_geoff on June 07, 2020, 07:10:18 PM
Have you tried to record that New Tricks episode again and is it all fine?
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: prl on June 08, 2020, 10:49:32 AM
On a T4, a recording conflict should normally involve at least 5 recordings. I'm not sure how there could be a conflict for only two recordings, unless some tuners are out to lunch.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: Nistrod on June 09, 2020, 07:56:08 AM
OK, this was resolved. It is weird, but some of my timers on the T4 did not have a channel associated with them. IceTV had a channel in all its entries, but the T4 did not. In particular, there was one at the same time as the shows giving the errors.

Editing the timers to add the correct channel gave lots of errors, but did the correct thing, and all the problems disappeared.

I did retune the T4 a few days ago, after an antenna move, so perhaps these were existing timers, whose channels moved somehow and disappeared - I don't know how the T4 identifies a channel internally.

All good. Thanks to all those who made suggestions.
Title: Re: Timer conflicts
Post by: prl on June 10, 2020, 02:38:42 PM
I don't know how the T4 identifies a channel internally.

By a thing called a service reference. For DVB services, the important parts that identify a channel (and the only parts that are used by IceTV to indicate a channel) are the DVB ONID (Original Network IDentifier), TSID (Transport Stream IDentifier) and SID (Stream IDentifier). The full identification also includes the ID Namespace, but that's fixed for all terrestrial digital broadcast services.