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Title: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 14, 2019, 01:28:17 AM
The revived show - Seachange currently broadcasting on Nine is listed as Season 1, Episode xx:

Laura does what she can to persuade Miranda not to give up her baby for adoption. And a full moon shows Laura a softer, more romantic Fin.

Sigrid Thornton, John Howard, Kerry Armstrong, Brooke Satchwell, Dan Wylie, Katrina Milosevic, Darren McMullen,

Series, Australia, English, Drama, Season 1 Episode 2


It's NOT season 1 but Season 4.

Also, the season number doesn't appear in the EIT data sent to my U4.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: grumpy_geoff on August 14, 2019, 09:34:48 AM
On 9Now it lists it as -
Season 1
After losing her job in Africa, former magistrate Laura Gibson returns to Pearl Bay to visit her daughter. But after two decades, Pearl Bay has changed in ways that will challenge everything Laura believes about life, love and family.
https://www.9now.com.au/seachange
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: prl on August 14, 2019, 09:54:20 AM
Yes, it's the first season of Seachange made for Nine. But it's the follow-on of the series made for the ABC. It even has the same actors continuing in some of the main roles, for example Sigrid Thornton as Laura Gibson, John Howard (the not-the-former-PM one) as Bob Jelly and Kerry Armstrong as Heather Jelly.

IMDb lists it as series 4.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 14, 2019, 10:44:59 AM
So does Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SeaChange#Season_4

and a number of other TV episode sites. However, the most authoritative source would be Screen Australia:

https://www.screenaustralia.gov.au/the-screen-guide/t/seachange-series/15100

which has the new season listed by its working Title: Seachange: Paradise Reclaimed 2019

but Nine simply went with "Seachange" as shown in the opening credits.

Nine list the show as "Season 1", simply because its the first season shown on Nine.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: Tiphanee on August 14, 2019, 01:02:49 PM
Hi there -

Thanks for the discussion regarding Seachange.

We had a similar issue when it was being scheduled a couple of weeks ago. Initially, it was thought that it should be Season 4 but as the Broadcaster and guides were labelling it Season 1, I decided to keep it consistent.

After further discussion today, it will be labelled correctly as Season 4 and I will update the episodes this afternoon.

Cheers,

Tiphanee

ps. Out of curiosity, Colin was wondering why it has become an issue when it doesn't impact on recordings ;)
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 14, 2019, 05:53:47 PM
ps. Out of curiosity, Colin was wondering why it has become an issue when it doesn't impact on recordings

I accept that it doesn't affect the recording, however, for me, it's simply correctness.

I would also say the same about Nine and their listing of Seachange ... just because it's the first season broadcast by Nine, doesn't mean that its the 1st season of Seachange!!!

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I also mentioned in my opening post that the Season number wasn't been pasted to the EIT data on my U4.

When I look at the online listing, I see:

Seachange

'Episode 3'

9HD Melbourne, 8:40pm, Tue, 20 Aug 2019, 60 minutes

Pearl Bay is getting a tad too full of family members for Miranda's peace of mind. And Laura's peace of mind is shattered by Anna's intentions with baby Joe.

Sigrid Thornton, John Howard, Kerry Armstrong, Brooke Satchwell, Dan Wylie, Katrina Milosevic, Darren McMullen,

Series, Australia, English, Drama, Season 4 Episode 3


When I look at the U4 timer, only the "Episode 3" is shown, not -- "Season 4, Episode 3".

OK, I accept that I'm being picky again, but I would really like to season & episode data for not only Seachange but for just about everything else.

Everything broadcast has a season & episode number, in either formats:

Season XX, Episode ZZ, or
Season YYYY, Episode ZZ

I realise that this data is probably not included in what is issued by the various networks, but at least wherever possible can both the Season & Episode number be included in the EIT data.

Thanks Muchly...

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Finally, last nights broadcast of Seachange had several broadcast errors, so I setup a single recording for the repeat at 1:00pm today (Wednesday). I start recordings 5 mins prior to the scheduled start, however, when I looked at the today's recording I still missed the first 2mins 40secs.

Oh well, it gets repeated again on Sunday arvo ... 3rd time lucky, so they say (it is a recording that I'm keeping, so I want a clean copy if I can and in this case, VRD's QuickStream Fix, can't fix the problem without deleting several seconds from several places in the broadcast where the digital signal broke up.

Edit ....

I searched YourTV:

https://www.yourtv.com.au/search?q=seachange&region=94

and according to it there's repeat of Seachange @ 3pm on Sunday August 18th in Melbourne.

But IceTV (and other local TV EPG sites) have The Block 2019.

Not sure who's right and who's wrong.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: prl on August 14, 2019, 06:20:10 PM
ps. Out of curiosity, Colin was wondering why it has become an issue when it doesn't impact on recordings ;)

I only noticed it because of BazzaG's post, but I remember the first 3 series of Seachange (my daughter was a fan), and calling the series reboot "season 1" just didn't seem right, especially when major characters are being continued by the same actors.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 16, 2019, 02:24:15 PM
The silence is, as they say, DEAFENING.

Surely it's not unreasonable to expect a reply to the issues that I've raised in this thread. The same thing is happening here as what happened in a post I raised back in June ... ask what could be termed a "hard" question and get no response.

PS...If someone doesn't want to respond in a pubic forum, that's fine. You have my email addy and even my phone #.



As to whether or not Seachange is on 9/9HD on Sunday arvo in Melbourne:

Ourguide, Freeview & On TV Tonight *ALL* list Seachange @ 3pm in Melbourne.

That wasn't the situation a day or so back, but so far the only TV Listing site that I've looked at today to say otherwise is ... IceTV.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: raymondjpg on August 16, 2019, 02:45:55 PM
As to whether or not Seachange is on 9/9HD on Sunday arvo in Melbourne:

Ourguide, Freeview & On TV Tonight *ALL* list Seachange @ 3pm in Melbourne.

For the record yourtv.com is listing a Seachange repeat on Sunday morning (simulcast on 9 and 9HD) for the ACT, but there is no such listing in the OTA EPG for that day. Clearly a popular program to justify so many repeats, but the disparity between advertised schedules and the EPG suggests to me that the repeat timings may be a moving feast.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 16, 2019, 05:42:08 PM
Well I just checked the embedded EPG data in the FTA signal and yep, Seachange is listed for Sunday 18th August @ 3pm on 9 & 9HD (Melbourne).
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: raymondjpg on August 16, 2019, 05:58:48 PM
Well I just checked the embedded EPG data in the FTA signal and yep, Seachange is listed for Sunday 18th August @ 3pm on 9 & 9HD (Melbourne).

I have used the FTA EPG and autotimers for many years now and so far found them to be reliable, so I'd be setting a timer for Seachange on Sunday based on what you saw.

In the ACT there is a repeat scheduled for tomorrow (Saturday) in the IceTV EPG which is in accordance with what I could see in the FTA EPG. I'm not sure why ACT and Melbourne scheduled repeats should have been scheduled differently, so I'd be double checking to see if there is a Seachange repeat scheduled for tomorrow in the Melbourne FTA EPG.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 16, 2019, 06:03:36 PM
Not sure that will work since IceTV provide the EPG data ... which is why I want IceTV to update their EPG.

I've only owned the Beyonwiz U4 for 2 months or so and haven't tried to set a manual timer since I been using IceTV from day 1.

I'll take a look later.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: raymondjpg on August 16, 2019, 06:16:07 PM
Not sure that will work since IceTV provide the EPG data ... which is why I want IceTV to update their EPG.

I've only owned the Beyonwiz U4 for 2 months or so and haven't tried to set a manual timer since I been using IceTV from day 1.

I'll take a look later.

Try setting a manual timer for the time period you ascertained from the FTA EPG. Call it what you like. If Seachange is indeed broadcast as indicated from the FTA EPG it can be renamed later.

Any indication that there may be a repeat broadcast tomorrow (Saturday)?
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 16, 2019, 06:25:57 PM
What I was going to do was simply record whatever show IceTV had for that time. I'm already recording the Netball which is the show that precedes it, so I could also simply extend the recording.

Given my age I tend to forget some "things to do", so I wanted the EPG to be correct while I remember it. Having said that, I've spent so much time on this I'm no likely to forget to do so.

I wouldn't need to do so if the Tuesday night broadcast didn't have several major breakups to the digital signal, or the EPG data for the Wednesday repeat was correct and I didn't miss the 1st 2' 45" of the that broadcast.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: grumpy_geoff on August 16, 2019, 06:30:21 PM
Not sure that will work since IceTV provide the EPG data ... which is why I want IceTV to update their EPG.

I've only owned the Beyonwiz U4 for 2 months or so and haven't tried to set a manual timer since I been using IceTV from day 1.

I'll take a look later.

Try setting a manual timer for the time period you ascertained from the FTA EPG. Call it what you like. If Seachange is indeed broadcast as indicated from the FTA EPG it can be renamed later.

That won't work, as IceTV will get the manual timer and adjust it to match the program event it best matches to in their guide and then resend it.
Best to do this - disable IceTV, zap to any service from Nine to populate the FTA EPG for Nine, bring up the EPG and page forward (CH+) to Sunday and set the timer.
Then re-enable IceTV and 'Fetch EPG and update timers now' (or just wait for the next fetch cycle).
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: raymondjpg on August 16, 2019, 06:48:27 PM
That won't work, as IceTV will get the manual timer and adjust it to match the program event it best matches to in their guide and then resend it.

That's a nuisance, if IceTV modifies a manual timer set when there are no other IceTV timers set to fire.

BazzaG could always extend the timer set for the program preceding what he saw as a Seachange repeat in the FTA EPG.

I don't see how setting a manual timer from the FTA EPG then reverting to IceTV would be any different from the situation from setting a manual timer from the IceTV EPG, but then I've never done it and you may well have experience with that process.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: grumpy_geoff on August 16, 2019, 06:54:34 PM
That won't work, as IceTV will get the manual timer and adjust it to match the program event it best matches to in their guide and then resend it.

That's a nuisance, if IceTV modifies a manual timer set when there are no other IceTV timers set to fire.

The "manual" timer becomes an IceTV timer.

Quote from: raymondjpg
BazzaG could always extend the timer set for the program preceding what he saw as a Seachange repeat in the FTA EPG.

Nup, same issue - IceTV will readjust that timer.

Quote from: raymondjpg
I don't see how setting a manual timer from the FTA EPG then reverting to IceTV would be any different from the situation from setting a manual timer from the IceTV EPG, but then I've never done it and you may well have experience with that process.

If the timer is created when IceTV is disabled, then it is _not_ sent to IceTV, so it doesn't know about it and therefore can't touch it.
Trust me - I know this stuff.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: raymondjpg on August 16, 2019, 07:11:34 PM
If the timer is created when IceTV is disabled, then it is _not_ sent to IceTV, so it doesn't know about it and therefore can't touch it.
Trust me - I know this stuff.

That I will. Makes sense to me now.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 16, 2019, 07:54:27 PM
Quote from: raymondjpg
BazzaG could always extend the timer set for the program preceding what he saw as a Seachange repeat in the FTA EPG.

Nup, same issue - IceTV will readjust that timer.

Hi Grumpy ...

Are you saying that if I were to edit a timer via the U4 OpenWebif by manually updating the END Date/Time of the IceTV set timer then after 15 mins or so IceTV will reset the End/Date time to that of the EPG?

If yes, then I can say that does NOT happen. During the Cricket World Cup a month ago I updated the END Date/Time of the IceTV set recording by adding an extra 1 hour to the recording. I did so, several hours before the recording ended. Had I not done so, I would have missed the end of most matches broadcast by Nine.

The discussion of the interaction between IceTV and manual timers is interesting as it has answered some questions I was going to ask in a more appropriate thread.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: MD on August 16, 2019, 08:17:11 PM
My guide team start at about 7am doing late changes for that day and the next full 7th day and the changes within them all, across all capital and regional channels. Sometimes we hold off on late changes if we are unsure. They finish at about 5 -6pm. As long as you have a PVR that logs in every 15 minutes and it can cope with timer changes, as the Beyonwiz V/U/T series can (but some earlier ones had problems and would use a second timer for the update hence holding off as a second change wouldn't find a tuner plus other issues), then final changes will be updated in its guide.  So just set it now and it will auto-correct via IceTV to whatever time it finally airs. Getting impatient is pointless as the staff have to go home and, with a new PVR, just set it and it will change via the PVR login and IceTV for updates according to any change that may occur. Please be sure we are aware of discrepancy you now see, or are thankful that a forum post has alerted us, but the staff can't work 12 hours a day and we will update tomorrow. 

With sport that runs over, and cricket is the prime example, we haven't got a crystal ball so have to go with the length of the show that the channel dictates however the simple solution is to always record the following show as well, or even two shows depending on their length.  Then you can be sure to capture it all.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: BazzaG on August 16, 2019, 08:35:12 PM
With sport that runs over, and cricket is the prime example, we haven't got a crystal ball so have to go with the length of the show ....

Hi, I wasn't saying that IceTV got anything wrong with the live cricket broadcast, or any live broadcast for that matter. They can run overtime which is no fault of IceTV. I was simply saying that my solution of manually editing the IceTV timer on the U4 worked AOK.

In most cases, the Aussie matches started at 7pm, so I watched most of the match (until about 1-2am) and when I updated the timer for the final session of the match the timer was active. It was for those few matches that didn't start until 10pm that when I changed the end time of the 2nd session (innings) the timer wasn't active.

Anyway, we seemed to have well and truly digressed from the actual issues initially raised in this thread.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: grumpy_geoff on August 16, 2019, 11:31:04 PM
Hi Grumpy ...

Are you saying that if I were to edit a timer via the U4 OpenWebif by manually updating the END Date/Time of the IceTV set timer then after 15 mins or so IceTV will reset the End/Date time to that of the EPG?

If yes, then I can say that does NOT happen. During the Cricket World Cup a month ago I updated the END Date/Time of the IceTV set recording by adding an extra 1 hour to the recording. I did so, several hours before the recording ended. Had I not done so, I would have missed the end of most matches broadcast by Nine.

The discussion of the interaction between IceTV and manual timers is interesting as it has answered some questions I was going to ask in a more appropriate thread.

Not always, if IceTV issue a change for the EPG event (e.g. start time change) then the timer will be resent with the new times and you'll lose your time changes.
Same if you change the recording location or after event action - sometimes for a timer change, IceTV will issue a timer delete and a timer add for that program event rather than just the (simple) change for the same timer (i.e. new ice_timer_id c.f. same ice_timer_id).  The plugin on the Wiz will delete the old timer and add the new one as instructed, losing your location/after action; compared to just updating the start/duration times.

Try setting a manual timer for say, a few hours duration, and see how long it stays intact before IceTV gazump it and change it back to the duration of the "closest matching" EPG event.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: raymondjpg on August 17, 2019, 10:27:52 AM
Not always, if IceTV issue a change for the EPG event (e.g. start time change) then the timer will be resent with the new times and you'll lose your time changes...

...Try setting a manual timer for say, a few hours duration, and see how long it stays intact before IceTV gazump it and change it back to the duration of the "closest matching" EPG event.

I'd try it myself, but you seem to have experience with this, so maybe know the answer.

If a manual timer (not an autotimer) were set from the OTA EPG, then the PVR switched back to IceTV, would *modifying* the manual timer then trigger a report back to the IceTV server that would then be subject to IceTV modification?

According to my understanding manual timers once set will not be modified automatically with changes in the EPG, and on occasion need to be tweaked manually.
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: Tiphanee on August 17, 2019, 12:07:39 PM
Hi All -

9 has been updated for both Saturday and Sunday. Depending on the region and scheduled live sport events, capital cities may have differing programming of repeat screenings of Seachange and The Block.

Have a lovely day,

Tiphanee
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: grumpy_geoff on August 19, 2019, 02:08:19 PM
I'd try it myself, but you seem to have experience with this, so maybe know the answer.

If a manual timer (not an autotimer) were set from the OTA EPG, then the PVR switched back to IceTV, would *modifying* the manual timer then trigger a report back to the IceTV server that would then be subject to IceTV modification?

According to my understanding manual timers once set will not be modified automatically with changes in the EPG, and on occasion need to be tweaked manually.

A manual timer that IceTV knows nothing about will be sent to IceTV (and hence become an IceTV managed timer) if it's tickled and the PVR is in an IceTV enabled state.
It'll stay in its edited state unless IceTV decides it wants to change the timer (be that minutes, hours, or days later).
Title: Re: Seachange ... Wrong season number
Post by: raymondjpg on August 20, 2019, 08:31:56 AM
A manual timer that IceTV knows nothing about will be sent to IceTV (and hence become an IceTV managed timer) if it's tickled and the PVR is in an IceTV enabled state.
It'll stay in its edited state unless IceTV decides it wants to change the timer (be that minutes, hours, or days later).

Thanks for that advice.