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IceTV General => IceTV EPG Content => Topic started by: BrisbaneR33 on November 14, 2015, 04:59:12 PM

Title: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: BrisbaneR33 on November 14, 2015, 04:59:12 PM
The last couple of weeks the recordings seems to start about half an hour before the show does and consequently the recording ends part way through the show. I am not having this issue with any other show recordings on my Beyonwiz T4. I've tried deleting the IceTV recording for this coming Friday and set an Autotimer on the Beyonwiz instead.

Sydney, 13th November, 7:30pm (the previous Friday same issue).
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 14, 2015, 05:16:17 PM
Isn't it just that the cricket overran?
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: IanL-S on November 14, 2015, 05:23:15 PM
Isn't it just that the cricket overran?

Live sport should be relegated to the info-tainment LCNs so that they do not interfere with serious viewing. :o

Ian
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: TimC on November 14, 2015, 06:54:56 PM
Live sport should be relegated to the info-tainment LCNs so that they do not interfere with serious viewing. :o
Good luck with that one Ian.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: BrisbaneR33 on November 14, 2015, 07:36:38 PM
Isn't it just that the cricket overran?

Live sport should be relegated to the info-tainment LCNs so that they do not interfere with serious viewing. :o

Ian

Totally agree Ian! But shouldn't Ice TV pick up over runs and adjust the recording accordingly? The strange thing is that the orange bars on the T4 showing the supposed start and end (without buffer) showed the start 3/4 through the recording (which was accurate) with no end?!
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: csutak40 on November 14, 2015, 08:32:35 PM


Live sport should be relegated to the info-tainment LCNs so that they do not interfere with serious viewing. :o

Ian

I agree with you 100%, but i doubt there are many of us.  Must say, I love lots of sports on TV, gives me a chance to catch up   ;D
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 14, 2015, 11:04:27 PM
Isn't it just that the cricket overran?

Live sport should be relegated to the info-tainment LCNs so that they do not interfere with serious viewing. :o

Ian

Totally agree Ian! But shouldn't Ice TV pick up over runs and adjust the recording accordingly? The strange thing is that the orange bars on the T4 showing the supposed start and end (without buffer) showed the start 3/4 through the recording (which was accurate) with no end?!
The bars on a T4 recording showing start and end come from the FTA signal, not from the icetv guide. For icetv to respond to changes where sport shows overrun, somebody would need to be actively monitoring it and your device would need to check regularly enough for it to be updated. I'm not sure if the FTA guide was updated or not, but if the start and end marks were correct, it sounds as if the FTA guide has been updated for the change.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: JPP on November 14, 2015, 11:19:17 PM
This sounds interesting. Are you saying that even though you are using ICETV, that the T series will also look at the FTA EPG and make corrections to the recording start and finish? Be great if it dis that, but would that than also require you to "surf" all services to keep the FTA data up to date. Would that then require you to run EPGRefresh on the TX?
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 14, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
This sounds interesting. Are you saying that even though you are using ICETV, that the T series will also look at the FTA EPG and make corrections to the recording start and finish? Be great if it dis that, but would that than also require you to "surf" all services to keep the FTA data up to date. Would that then require you to run EPGRefresh on the TX?
No, I'm just talking about the start and end marks that are placed in recordings. These don't come from the FTA epg but are a signal sent as part of the FTA now and next signal. The t4 only has one epg and doesn't track timers unless created by an autotimer.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 14, 2015, 11:31:12 PM
Also, referring back to my comment about whether the FTA guide is updates for sport overruns, icetv is currently indicating the movie The Bcahelor on GEM but by switching to the FTA guide, in see that gives the correct guide that Love Happens is still on.

I don't know when the FTA epg was updated for this change but it appears to be showing the correct data when icetv is not.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 14, 2015, 11:39:54 PM
Also, referring back to my comment about whether the FTA guide is updates for sport overruns, icetv is currently indicating the movie The Bcahelor on GEM but by switching to the FTA guide, in see that gives the correct guide that Love Happens is still on.

I don't know when the FTA epg was updated for this change but it appears to be showing the correct data when icetv is not.
This is also affecting Nine as icetv shows that Payback is on but in fact a View to a kill is still on.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: IanL-S on November 15, 2015, 09:50:12 AM
I suspect that there are technical problems with IceTV updating EPG for these overruns. First, John cannot be on duty 24/7 - I think he has some assistance but he seems to be doing most of the work. Even if he were, he may not pick up the overrun. The other problem is with the PVRs; I suspect those with the newer IceTV API (T4 and SKIPPA) could be updated, but ones using the older API are problematic, particularly Toppys. Pat of the problem is how often the PVR requests EPG update and how often it requests Timer Update. With Toppys, if I recall correctly, they contact the server every 15 minutes, but they alternatively ask for EPG update and Timer Update. (Of course I could be confused about this as this is from my recollection of beta testing back in 2011).

Ian

PS If you are recording the live sport, getting the PVR to 'automatically' extend the recording is another matter.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 15, 2015, 10:06:35 AM
I suspect that there are technical problems with IceTV updating EPG for these overruns. First, John cannot be on duty 24/7 - I think he has some assistance but he seems to be doing most of the work. Even if he were, he may not pick up the overrun. The other problem is with the PVRs; I suspect those with the newer IceTV API (T4 and SKIPPA) could be updated, but ones using the older API are problematic, particularly Toppys. Pat of the problem is how often the PVR requests EPG update and how often it requests Timer Update. With Toppys, if I recall correctly, they contact the server every 15 minutes, but they alternatively ask for EPG update and Timer Update. (Of course I could be confused about this as this is from my recollection of beta testing back in 2011).

Ian

PS If you are recording the live sport, getting the PVR to 'automatically' extend the recording is another matter.

I agree with you Ian about icetv not being able to update 24/7 but I also think these aren't last minute overruns, channel 9 and gem today are already different for the cricket between icetv and FTA, as I've posted separately.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: Tezza007 on November 15, 2015, 11:38:20 AM
Even when we notify IceTV about changes/errors, they no longer seem to be doing anything about it
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: BrisbaneR33 on November 15, 2015, 08:48:12 PM
I don't know when the FTA epg was updated for this change but it appears to be showing the correct data when icetv is not.

So the FTA guide is more accurate? What are we paying for exactly?

I've got a T4 and its set to update every 15 mins from the IceTV server.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: TimC on November 15, 2015, 09:05:24 PM
So the FTA guide is more accurate? What are we paying for exactly?

IceTV have to process all the EPGs for all the TV stations throughout Australia.  I have no idea how many there are, but it'll be quite a few.

Essentially the IceTV EPG is provided free.  If you don't log in to the IceTV site that is what you see.

What we pay for is the service that downloads our series recordings to our PVRs so that we don't have to spend an hour or two every week checking all those free FTA EPGs to find out when they are on.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 15, 2015, 09:13:29 PM
So the FTA guide is more accurate? What are we paying for exactly?

IceTV have to process all the EPGs for all the TV stations throughout Australia.  I have no idea how many there are, but it'll be quite a few.

Essentially the IceTV EPG is provided free.  If you don't log in to the IceTV site that is what you see.

What we pay for is the service that downloads our series recordings to our PVRs so that we don't have to spend an hour or two every week checking all those free FTA EPGs to find out when they are on.

Whilst I understand that icetv have to go to the effort to update their epg if things change, that is kind of the point of the epg. Also, in relation to the channel nine changes that I was referring to, these have been available all day from channel nine and aren't really last minute.

Are you saying my beyonwiz device can access the icetv epg for free? I disagree with the statement that all we are paying for is the series tracking and downloads. That service has to rely on the epg and is therefore dependant on it. Separating them and saying we only we pay for one makes little sense.

Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: BrisbaneR33 on November 15, 2015, 09:16:09 PM
So the FTA guide is more accurate? What are we paying for exactly?
What we pay for is the service that downloads our series recordings to our PVRs so that we don't have to spend an hour or two every week checking all those free FTA EPGs to find out when they are on.

The Beyonwiz T4 can do similar with Autotimers, although repeats can be an issue. But if Ice causes the recordings to be scheduled well before the show runs, then really, what is the point?!
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: TimC on November 16, 2015, 07:31:13 PM
Are you saying my beyonwiz device can access the icetv epg for free?  I disagree with the statement that all we are paying for is the series tracking and downloads. That service has to rely on the epg and is therefore dependant on it.

Agreed the series tracking and downloads are dependent on the EPG. However anyone can access the EPG Online for free. Possibly the App can access it for free as well. That makes it free in my eyes.

I can see that it is a matter of perspective though.
Title: Re: Ready for takeoff ch9
Post by: simoncasey on November 17, 2015, 10:22:45 AM
Are you saying my beyonwiz device can access the icetv epg for free?  I disagree with the statement that all we are paying for is the series tracking and downloads. That service has to rely on the epg and is therefore dependant on it.

Agreed the series tracking and downloads are dependent on the EPG. However anyone can access the EPG Online for free. Possibly the App can access it for free as well. That makes it free in my eyes.

I can see that it is a matter of perspective though.

Yes, I can see you are looking at this from a different perspective to me. I was using the perspective of the icetv epg being on my pvr, which is the device I use to watch TV. To get that I have to pay, so it isn't free.