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Title: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Aussiebec on October 01, 2015, 09:24:32 PM
So I've had my Skippa nearly 2 weeks, only watched one show.  I previously had a Topfield MP5000 which only needed a new hard drive after 8 years and 2 remotes.  So I needed to upgrade and the Skippa was appealing.

Thoughts:
I love the size, so neat an tidy.

I think the EPG will take some adjusting compared to what I was used to one channel showing at a time as opposed to time slots.

It was so easy to set up.

The remote control is like a clone of the Foxtel remote and I wished it was a bit more modern in it's look and feel.  I have a Samsung SmartTV and the remotes are light, small.

It would be nice if the remote buttons glowed.

I have only watched one show and found the skip function a bit hit and miss but after reading another thread found you can't skip the promos.  Didn't realize at the time of watching. The skip function probably kicked in after 5 secs of the first ad.... caught me a couple of times reaching for the remote to skip manually thinking it wasn't working.

Love the APP, I use that instead of the EPG.

Questions:


Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: stretch4x4 on October 01, 2015, 09:43:11 PM
Mine is silent but I think you are the second person to mention a noise..
Maybe it is just sitting funny.. Maybe throw a rubber mat or some paper towel under it and see if it sits down..

And yes you can copy files off the skippa remotely or stream things (I haven't tried the latter yet)

In a future update, hopefully you can stream live tv too not just recordings :)
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: warkus on October 01, 2015, 09:46:58 PM
You need to put rubber feet under it...

4 times 12x12x8mm rubber feet, cheap as chips from Bunnings, it removes almost all of the micro vibrations from the unit sitting on a hard shelf. When applying the rubber feet to the base of the unit, make sure you disconnect power first before turning it over - this is because of a point you raised, ie it always runs even in standby so the hard drive will be spinning and you don't want to turn it over while its spinning, not really a good idea.

Essentially it is always on 24/7, when you put it into standby it pretty much just switches off video, that's about it... Advantage of this if you call it that is virtually instantaneous on from pressing power.

I posted about the rubber feet being missing on the unit in another thread, it is one of only 2 gripes I have with the unit, the other being the remote.

As for watching recordings on your laptop...I posted this on whirlpool, it will work for you too on your laptop...

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I'm running...
core2quad CPU 2.6ghz
8gb ram
Windows 10

Downloaded and installed Kodi 15.1
After install I ran the program
Click on videos
Then files
Then add videos
Then click browse
Then click upnp devices
Then click the skippa
Then click Raw Recorded Files (you will NOT see any recordings at this point)
Then click OK
Then click OK again on the next screen

Now the Skippa is added as a folder under "videos / files" in Kodi and is a static link, so you only need to do that above one time.

Now just click on the skippa listing, select the file you want to stream, and hey presto, full screen playback of recordings from the skippa.

Fast
In sync
Whilst it's recording 2 other shows
No noticeable performance issues at all
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Aussiebec on October 01, 2015, 10:01:12 PM
You need to put rubber feet under it...


Thanks for the suggestion will invest.

As for watching recordings on your laptop...I posted this on whirlpool, it will work for you too on your laptop...

Thanks, Whirlpool was my next visit.



Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Leon K on October 02, 2015, 12:10:00 PM
Hey Aussiebec,


Do failed recordings reschedule themselves?


Failed recordings don't reschedule themselves, but you will receive an email notice to this effect so that you are aware of the fail and can then schedule again to make sure there are no conflicts (timer conflicts are largely the most common cause of failed recordings).

P.S Thanks for your feedback everyone!
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Bijengum on October 02, 2015, 05:13:45 PM
How much data does the skippa use. I will be using it on mobile broadband. Need to know how much data it requires to keep up to date.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Leon K on October 02, 2015, 05:22:05 PM
Hey Bijengum,

How much data does the skippa use. I will be using it on mobile broadband. Need to know how much data it requires to keep up to date.

SKIPPA uses approximately 500MB - 2GB per month under normal operating conditions - that is updating the EPG and downloading / uploading timer information. SKIPPA fetches these updates every 10 minutes.

It you use catch-up services you will incur a higher data usage - which is dependant on how much you watch. For example, full quality HD Catch Up programs will use approximately 1.6 GB per hour, whilst SD Catch Up programs will use approximately 585 MB per hour.

Cheers,
Leon
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Bijengum on October 02, 2015, 05:25:49 PM
Are there any options to do updates less often to reduce the data required
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Aussiebec on October 02, 2015, 05:27:17 PM


Downloaded and installed Kodi 15.1

Warkus, your instructions are perfect and so easy to follow.  Thanks for taking the time to post. 

As for the rubber feet not sure this is the solution.  I went and picked up the unit (carefully) and it feels like the hard drive is running and it is really hot.  It is in a well ventilated spot no crap around it.  Again my Toppy never ran hot even when it ran.  Is this something I have to put up with or can be resolved?  I wonder if it's worth a new thread on it's own to gauge if it's a one off?

Bec
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Leon K on October 02, 2015, 05:27:59 PM
Are there any options to do updates less often to reduce the data required

There is not..
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Bijengum on October 02, 2015, 05:30:43 PM
What about turning the unit off and only having it on during the times it need to be on to record.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Leon K on October 02, 2015, 05:37:27 PM
What about turning the unit off and only having it on during the times it need to be on to record.

Yes you could certainly do that in a pinch, although we recommend having it online at all times to have the guide updated throughout the day - but if you know that you will only be recording shows at night after 6pm for instance then it would be perfectly acceptable to then only plug it in at 5pm in time for it to make any updates.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Muddy on October 03, 2015, 12:03:55 PM
Does anyone find that when Skippa is on standby it sounds like it is constantly running?  My Toppy was silent in standby.  It is driving me nuts especially as it is in my bedroom.  My husband actually turned it off during the day and I missed a recording.
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Mine is also constantly running and is noisy. I would love to find out if this is fixable. I have submitted questions to support and only had a half hearted response at this stage.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: warkus on October 03, 2015, 12:26:29 PM
As mentioned already above the Skippa runs 24/7 even in standby and that goes for the hard drive too. It pretty much only switches off "video" in standby.

Rubber feet, on the bottom of your unit will definitely help with the noise level, but as for a deep standby or HDD power off, only IceTV will be able to answer whether this feature can be added to the firmware or not.

People have been asking for it on the Altech 9600 for ages and it's fallen on deaf ears over at UEC and as this unit is also a UEC manufactured unit, I don't like your chances of getting it added, but that's only my opinion.

Mark
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: SkippaLounge on October 03, 2015, 04:10:42 PM
Hi
I will receive my skippa next week all gong well.
I just had a question based on other people's experiences, I know for long time users skippa is just another vehicle for the Icetv service but I feel for me the opposite may be true coming from a TiVo where the Pvr was great but the epg was all over the place.

Any way I wanted to know why when making a series recording does it have to contact the server? What is it doing at this point and why can't whatever it is wait for the next 10min check in.

Also if there is a conflict when setting multiple recordings you get an email to notify you (before or after the fact?) but is there no instant on screen message that says this?
No internal mechanism to know as you set recordings that there is a conflict
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: prl on October 03, 2015, 06:49:19 PM
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Any way I wanted to know why when making a series recording does it have to contact the server? What is it doing at this point and why can't whatever it is wait for the next 10min check in.
...
If the SKIPPA series recordings work the same way (apart from being able to set them on the PVR), what happens is SKIPPA sends series recording to the IceTV server, IceTV server works out what recording timers need to be set, IceTV sends the recording timers to the SKIPPA.

If the recording should start in 5 minutes, you'd probably not want it to wait 10 minutes to set up the recordings :)

Why is this behaviour a problem? The amounts of data involved are very small.

Also if there is a conflict when setting multiple recordings you get an email to notify you (before or after the fact?) but is there no instant on screen message that says this?
No internal mechanism to know as you set recordings that there is a conflict
That's the same as for other IceTV devices. The server doesn't have a model of how recording timers interact with each other, so it doesn't know whether a recording that it wants to send will be accepted by the PVR. So when the server sends the recording timer, the PVR sends back a confirmation to the server saying whether the timers could be set. The server then marks an error on the web site/app and sends you an email.

The PVR could put up a popup error message at the time the error is detected, but I don't know whether any IceTV PVRs do that. Beyonwiz ones certainly don't.

Having such popups might be annoying if they happen when you'd rather just be watching a recording.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: SkippaLounge on October 03, 2015, 09:03:45 PM
Thanks for your reply prl
I guess I was thinking if the skippa receives frequent epg updates anyway then you could cut out the middle man (server) and have no pop up/set up delay at all.
I'm sure there's many advantages of a cloud based box over a closed one such as ph and pc control ect.
Thanks again and can't wait to try Icetv and skippa out soon
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: Carljh on October 04, 2015, 10:53:50 AM
Like a few others I have experienced a number of programs that did not record, probably nearly as many as were successful!  Hopefully this issue will be resolved on Tuesday with the new update.  Also, like many others on this forum, I am a long time TiVo user who is getting in early before they 'pull the plug' in Australia as it is several years now since the unit was available for sale.  One of the many good things with TiVo was that it was very rare for a scheduled program not to record at all, in fact I can't remember the last time this happened to me.  I was just wondering with the long-time IceTV users if this recording issue is just common to Skippa or whether it is an regular occurrence with other PVR's using this EPG?  My intention was to use the Skippa as my main PVR and the TiVo as a backup but may have to reverse this decision and use the TiVo as my primary unit for as long as possible.  The ad skipping feature of Skippa was not a draw card for me as it's not a hassle to fast forward through adverts.  I have found ad skipping a bit hit and miss (but good when it works) and can't understand IceTV's logic in leaving promos in there.  Overall though, I am quite happy with the unit itself.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: IanL-S on October 04, 2015, 12:13:45 PM
Problems with programs not recording are 99.95% due to the PVR not doing the right thing. There is a bug in the IceTV module of Topfield firmware that can result in the problems with consecutive programs on the same LCN, and the start time for both is adjusted. The good news is that when this happens IceTV server sends you an email (if you have activated that service) saying that it had trouble with the particular timer.

Ian
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: csutak40 on October 04, 2015, 04:15:43 PM
The ad skipping feature of Skippa was not a draw card for me as it's not a hassle to fast forward through adverts.  I have found ad skipping a bit hit and miss (but good when it works) and can't understand IceTV's logic in leaving promos in there.

It just doesn't cease to amuse me that Heinz said in his podcast (which is the only way he is willing to communicate with the public -AKA his customers-) that  it was the customers who asked for ad skip.

I actually went through this Forum, going back to when Heinz first announced the  "IceCube". Not once did I see a post of anyone requesting this "feature".  I think most of us were also dubious as to how well it will work (even before we found out that it was an optional extra)

I think most of us were quite happy with skipping the ads with buttons on the remote set for various time intervals.

I have seen requests for lots of other things, most of which can now be found in the Skippa  "Wish List" thread, as none of those, oft repeated, requests were included on the "Skippa" that was finally supplied (to some)
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: jas55 on October 06, 2015, 05:55:15 PM
where is the new software update it is Tuesday
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: FMB on October 06, 2015, 10:01:25 PM
Has anyone noticed how damn hot these things get? I had mine sitting on top of my new Bluray player. When it wasn't working, I went to check cables. I couldn't touch the Skippa. I've now moved the Bluray player and hope Skippa hasn't killed it.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: stretch4x4 on October 06, 2015, 11:09:05 PM
I just felt mine, can happily put my hand on it.. certainly far from cold but I wouldn't call it hot.
Title: Re: Skippa - Feedback & Questions
Post by: IanL-S on October 07, 2015, 07:20:20 AM
I noticed my SKIPPA was hot the other day, and so were the Toppys that are in the same case. Turned out the USB HUB to which the ventilating fans are attached had died. Replaced the USB Hub and all the units (including the SKIPPA) are much cooler.

Ian