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Title: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on March 14, 2014, 05:25:55 PM
Wow!! Triple tuner Beyonwiz (optional 4th tuner) with up to 4TB HDD.

But..............

Is it IceTV enabled?? Or is this the new IceCube?? Please tell me it will be part of the IceTV stable.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: bodogbodog on March 14, 2014, 09:13:20 PM
More info @ http://shop.beyonwiz.com.au/ (http://shop.beyonwiz.com.au/) on the Beyonwiz site including specs for the soon to be released T3

It looks interesting but not sure about the price

I couldn't see any reference to IceTV being supported - anyone know if it will be?

C'mon IceTV - when will we see your new unit? - I don't want another Wiz...
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: snuke on March 17, 2014, 03:43:51 PM
There are mixed bits of feedback. One I got from them in my question about ICE is this “ Ice TV is not integrated at the moment but it is possible, we will be talking to IceTV very soon.”

The other from a few Beta testers is that it is up to ICE to make it work as the T3 is fully open source.
I think the former is more accurate. They know that ICE is very important to Wiz buyers. There has been a very loud statement from many members that No ICE = No Purchase.
I expect both companies to work together to make it work. New blood into PVRs is long overdue and welcome by all parties.

I haven’t been on these forums in a long time, what is this new ICE unit you’re referring to?
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Heinz on March 17, 2014, 04:49:27 PM
Hello Everyone!

Allow me to cast a little light on the Beyonwiz T3, plus IceTV's activities wrt several hardware and software platforms.

We're meeting with Digital Trading Co re the T3 this Wednesday to get a landing on how we can accelerate IceTV integration. The question isn't "if" but "when"! We can't give you a timeframe but we can say that Beyonwiz and IceTV both want to go ahead.

Let me nip in the bud an emerging rumour about an alleged link between the T3 and IceTV's own PVR. From the CEO of IceTV (= me) let it be known that any such rumour is unfounded. As much as we like the T3, our own baby has a bit of unique magic of its own. Our internal project name is "IceCube" (which won't be its product name when it will be released). But because IceCube won't be ready for sale much before Christmas, we've been pushing into more recent branded platforms, giving you a choice of platform.

In addition to the T3, therefore, we're progressing with Topfield on an accelerated integration with their more recent models. We've read with great interest several contributions from you on this Forum and rest assured, we're discussing this with the new Topfield management already. We have a technically strong user base at IceTV and we know that we'll be making well-informed decisions when we listen to your ideas.

Some of you have asked for an integrated PVR/Blu-ray box. So let me share with you that Strong is working with us on integrating their 6500 with IceTV. This will provide a price-aggressive alternative to any branded combo PVR in the Australian market -- with IceTV as its irresistible companion!

And if you want a PVR for no more than $250 then wait till we're done with the DX480 integration (about June). Or fancy equipping your NAS drive with a few USB tuners and using IceTV with DVBLink Version 5 (about July)? IceTV has always been about giving consumers their choice of hardware platform.

But IceTV isn't just about scaleable PVR platforms, i.e. a platform for every wallet size. We're also about providing better remote recording software than what we've seen from TiVo in Australia, but with TiVo-esque user interface and functionality -- or in other words, making smart recording smarter and sexier than what TiVo has delivered in Australia. So IceTV has always been about the power of an app on a latest-generation smartphone or tablet. For the last 12 months we've been working on the IceTV app and it's now packed with the upgrades you've been requesting:

- Images and previews now available
- All regions in Australia are now supported
- A new, intuitive user interface and easier setup
- Several recommendations services: coming soon, most popular and our editorial "Ice Picks" (and our themed "Collections" will be available in two weeks)
- A Windows Phone version to be released in April on the Windows Phone Store
- "On Air" is one of Europe’s most popular TV apps with 1.5 million downloads. It now supports IceTV's remote recording features for paid subscribers and free trial users. This provides an alternative user experience to all our valued IceTV customers. Just pick and choose your preferred app for use with IceTV!

Here at IceTV, we listen and we give you choice. And if you go to our online store at https://www.icetv.com.au/store you'll find the most price aggressive bundles of hardware and IceTV subscriptions anywhere on the web. There are just no less expensive bundles anywhere!

Hoping that I've been able to answer some questions.

Regards & success,
Heinz
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on March 17, 2014, 06:54:14 PM
Thanks Heinz.
Great update with plenty of specifics to go along with the warm fuzzies.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: oster on March 17, 2014, 10:08:12 PM
OK - that just quadrupled the chances of me putting in an order for the T3 and rnewing my IcetV subscritpion. Thankyou.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on March 17, 2014, 10:27:17 PM
- "On Air" is one of Europe’s most popular TV apps with 1.5 million downloads. It now supports IceTV's remote recording features for paid subscribers and free trial users. This provides an alternative user experience to all our valued IceTV customers. Just pick and choose your preferred app for use with IceTV!

Oh dear! That app only seems to apply to iStuff. Hope you aren't leaving Android users out of the loop. Especially considering.....

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Here at IceTV, we listen and we give you choice.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Daniel Hall at IceTV on March 18, 2014, 09:31:40 AM
Hi Paul,

It is definitely in the Google Play store as well, it is called "TV Guide Australia - ON AIR" in the store (it's about 7th on the list when searching for 'onair').

We currently have it running on a Nexus 4 and a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 here in the office.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on March 18, 2014, 11:04:36 AM
It is definitely in the Google Play store as well, it is called "TV Guide Australia - ON AIR" in the store (it's about 7th on the list when searching for 'onair').

Thanks, found it now - was using wrong search.
However, once installed, it won't let me log into my IceTV account - get a message saying something like Username Already Exists
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on March 18, 2014, 02:31:23 PM
Got an unexpected call from Jay at IceTV support about my previous post - needed to use my email address instead of User Name.

All working now - great customer support IceTV!!
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Mantorok on April 01, 2014, 07:36:58 PM
Any further updates on when we can expect IceTV support on the new T3? Even a ballpark estimate would be good

Regards
Mantorok
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Garyvx on April 08, 2014, 11:56:18 AM
Yep, I would like an update on how the talks went as well.

Regards Gary
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Heinz on April 11, 2014, 08:19:55 PM
Following 5 weeks of negotiations with Beyonwiz, we could not agree on acceptable commercial terms for the integration of IceTV with the Beyonwiz T3.

There are now three options for Beyonwiz fans:

1) Express your views to Beyonwiz at http://www.digitaltradingco.com.au/dpg_contact.asp
2) Consider alternative brands, such as Topfield, Strong, Humax, Elgato and DVBLink, who are committed to integrating IceTV on their new products.
3) Treat yourself to an IceTV PVR in October from our online store or in November from the top Australian retailers. It won't cost you much to enjoy becoming part of a PVR revolution with the IceTV PVR! Our own PVR will be the first to market with some features that are setting the pace in Australia -- 4 tuners, prepaid IceTV, sleek new IceTV interface which is integrated across our PVR's remote control/tablet/mobiles and a killer feature that we won't announce until closer to the release date. Seriously cool and different! We are well underway and you will want IceTV if you are looking for a way to enjoy HbbTV/Freeview+ with your existing TV set at some point in the near future.

We remain committed to Beyonwiz' current models and continue to market them on our online store. Our IceTV interface continues to be open to every PVR brand represented in Australia, including Beyonwiz. However, it is the vendor's choice to take up that integration offer.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: snuke on April 11, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
Very disappointing to hear, this is not good for either party.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: RogerTF1 on April 12, 2014, 07:21:31 AM
I don't know who was being pig headed in the negotiation - but the upshot of this news is I have cancelled my preordered T3.  It had such potential but  I don't want to use two different solutions for recording things - and IceTV just works.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Vortical on April 12, 2014, 09:56:26 AM
We're meeting with Digital Trading Co re the T3 this Wednesday to get a landing on how we can accelerate IceTV integration. The question isn't "if" but "when"!

Following 5 weeks of negotiations with Beyonwiz, we could not agree on acceptable commercial terms for the integration of IceTV with the Beyonwiz T3.

Heinz

People will purchase based on comments like yours on March 17th then become sorely disappointed when you don't deliver as has clearly happened on the 11th April.

So far everything you have posted that has excited forum members in relation to this Beyonwiz T3 IceTV implementation and the continual push back of release dates of the Mysterious IceTV branded PVR has been a huge letdown.

I'm certainly very disappointed

Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on April 12, 2014, 10:51:43 AM
Begs the question - did IceTV really want to give a competitor an advantage. If not, that's understandable - unfortunately, it's the loyal customers of both brands who will suffer.
It may come down to choosing between IceTV and (possibly) the best PVR. If so, both will lose. The T3 seems to have the majority (but certainly not all) of the IceTV functions covered straight out of the box.
I'm a big spruiker of IceTV to my friends, but this situation sucks. Do I recommend the best cake or what most see as the Icing? Pun intended.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: BikeMike on April 13, 2014, 07:20:56 PM
I am very very disappointed too. I ordered a T3 assuming that ICE would work, based on the comment quoted above.

Not sure why there needs to be a commercial arrangement between ICE and BW; there is a commercial arrangement between ICE and ME to provide this service, I pay for it! I probably will not be renewing when my current subscription expires.

Not Happy!
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: BikeMike on April 13, 2014, 08:25:32 PM
Do all the other platforms have a commercial arrangement with ICE? What about Windows, Myth TV etc?
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on April 14, 2014, 12:55:19 PM
...
Not sure why there needs to be a commercial arrangement between ICE and BW; there is a commercial arrangement between ICE and ME to provide this service, I pay for it! I probably will not be renewing when my current subscription expires.
...
The IceTV protocol is proprietary. I imagine that Beyonwiz needs to licence its use.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on April 14, 2014, 01:05:29 PM
Do all the other platforms have a commercial arrangement with ICE? What about Windows, Myth TV etc?
For Windows Media Centre, you have to download IceTV software to use IceTV. There wouldn't appear to be a need for a commercial arrangement for Microsoft to have access to IceTV IP.

MythTV only appears to have access (http://support.icetv.com.au/entries/20781453-Does-IceTV-Record-Scheduling-work-with-MythTV-) to the IceTV EPG, not to IceTV Interactive: "Does IceTV Record Scheduling work with MythTV? No. MythTV can use the IceTV guide data but it does not support IceTV Interactive (remote scheduling and series recording)." Same with SageTV.

From the setup information in IceTV Help, it appears that Elgato licenses IceTV.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: csutak40 on April 19, 2014, 05:32:24 PM

3) Treat yourself to an IceTV PVR in October from our online store or in November from the top Australian retailers.

Sorry Heinz, I am becoming quite dubious about this whole thing.  For starters, last we have heard from you (in the "New IceTV branded PVR" thread) was in December, when you promised July.  You haven't deigned to keep us posted in that thread since.

In that thread, lots of people offered to test drive it and help in any way they could, but you have decided not to keep us informed as to what the hold-up is.  In fact you have stopped writing in that thread completely.

The only reason I know that you have written on the subject anywhere (as, not being a Beyonwiz user, I have no reason to be reading that thread) was other members quoting you in the  thread one would hope that mentions of the "IceCube" would be found.

Very disappointing and does not fill one with confidence about the product at all.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: BikeMike on April 20, 2014, 10:53:56 AM
Actually I think I should express my views here, as well as to Beyonwiz.

I have PAID for IceTV service for 5 years now, and it's been great. But the point is, I pay for it. It seems that IceTV also expect Beyonwiz to pay for it ("acceptable commercial terms" is the phrase they use) in order to allow my device access to a service I pay for.

As far as I can see, Ice do not offer a cheaper "guide only" subscription? The fee includes remote scheduling of recordings onto my device. IceTV have Beyonwiz to thank for my last 5 years of subscription fees, along with my recommendations to other users. So why can't I continue to use the service with my new Beyonwiz device? There is no other compelling reason to use their service, so if it's not going to be enabled for the T3 I will be cancelling and no longer recommending them.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on April 20, 2014, 01:58:07 PM
As far as I can see, Ice do not offer a cheaper "guide only" subscription? The fee includes remote scheduling of recordings onto my device. IceTV have Beyonwiz to thank for my last 5 years of subscription fees, along with my recommendations to other users. So why can't I continue to use the service with my new Beyonwiz device? There is no other compelling reason to use their service, so if it's not going to be enabled for the T3 I will be cancelling and no longer recommending them.

You don't need to be a subscriber to access the IceTV EPG data over the web - just to get it onto your device.
IceTV would need to develop firmware and are entitled to some recompense for their work and intellectual property - the question I ask is how much. To the layman, there wouldn't seem to be a case for it costing Beyonwiz significantly more than the DP series licence. We also don't know how hard a line Beyonwiz took.
As for both Beyonwiz and the user paying IceTV, it's a bit like newspaper classifieds - both the seller and buyer need to pay the newspaper. Maybe not a great example, but it shows that 2 parties can be charged by a third party to bring them together.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: csutak40 on April 20, 2014, 04:59:36 PM

You don't need to be a subscriber to access the IceTV EPG data over the web - just to get it onto your device.
IceTV would need to develop firmware and are entitled to some recompense for their work and intellectual property - the question I ask is how much. To the layman, there wouldn't seem to be a case for it costing Beyonwiz significantly more than the DP series licence. We also don't know how hard a line Beyonwiz took.
As for both Beyonwiz and the user paying IceTV, it's a bit like newspaper classifieds - both the seller and buyer need to pay the newspaper. Maybe not a great example, but it shows that 2 parties can be charged by a third party to bring them together.

What is getting me more and more annoyed is the fact that Heinz is not keeping us informed.  As I said, I don't own a Beyonwiz device, so I have no reason to be writing to them, but I wouldn't anyway - as I don't have enough information to be able to mount an argument.

I have no idea what the negotiantions were about, why they fell down.  Is IceTV being purposely difficult with them, to eliminate a possible competitor?

I am very disappointed in the way loyal customers of IceTV are being treated.  Some of us were around when the court case with Channel 9 was going on and we did write letters and did everything we could to help IceTV's case

I have no idea what's going on and there may very well be a reasonable explanation, but it is certainly not forthcoming.   Conspiracy theories will prosper when the facts aren't easy to come by.

I think that Heinz should remember that most of the success of IceTV was gained by word of mouth of loyal and happy customers.  It seems we are now treated like mushrooms and if that continues, customers can be lost as quickly as they were gained.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on April 20, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
I'm not sure that either Heinz or Jai (from Beyonwiz) owe us any explanation of what happened in private commercial negotiations.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: csutak40 on April 20, 2014, 08:28:01 PM
I'm not sure that either Heinz or Jai (from Beyonwiz) owe us any explanation of what happened in private commercial negotiations.

Well, I was mainly talking about explaining the delays with the IceCube, but I would agree with you except for the fact that Heinz had asked members to write to Beyonwiz to argue their case.  Wouldn't knowing the "case" be necessary for that?
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: BikeMike on April 20, 2014, 10:08:54 PM
IceTV would need to develop firmware and are entitled to some recompense for their work and intellectual property...

Actually I'm certain it would be Beyonwiz developing that firmware/software, and they already have the technical knowledge and IP since they have included it in other models. The only thing stopping them including it in the T3 is IceTV wanting them to pay more than they are willing to. I guess we will never know how much that is, or whether it's a flat fee or per user.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on April 21, 2014, 06:53:32 AM
I suspect this why some are suspicious of the timing and tone of these negotiations Vs the pending arrival of the "Ice Device".
IceTV would seem to be in the box seat this time with many potential buyers demanding IceTV compatibility before buying a new machine. It initially appears that the T3 needs Ice more than Ice needs the T3. However, I think that's a short sighted view as IceTV has made its reputation by aligning with the best hardware and providing a choice of brands to customers.
I have never been fond of Humax and a friend who bought one a year ago is lamenting his decision to ignore my advice to get a Beyonwiz. I, for one, won't be coerced into buying hardware I don't trust. If it comes down to choosing between hardware and IceTV, I will vote with my wallet for the best hardware and work around the other issues.
Maybe Beyonwiz are being unreasonable, but there doesn't seem to be an obvious reason for this - Ice compatibility will definitely snare them more sales. On the other hand, increased T3 sales would be at the expense of some "Ice Device" sales. Do the math!
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: bodogbodog on April 21, 2014, 08:50:23 AM
I'm not looking to add to the debate but being a long term IceTV user I simply don't know how it would work on a PVR without it - what product do the non IceTV units use to schedule and manage recordings?
As I like an easy life - and a happy wife - I just want something with an easy interface, that's somewhat reliable, to set up recordings  - ie set and forget is my target - do they exist outside of the IceTV environment?

Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: raymondjpg on April 21, 2014, 09:22:08 AM
You don't need to be a subscriber to access the IceTV EPG data over the web...
How does that work?

do they exist outside of the IceTV environment?
FTA epg, or some "other" epg service. Hence my interest in accessing the IceTV EPG data without a subscription!
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on April 21, 2014, 09:56:08 AM
You don't need to be a subscriber to access the IceTV EPG data over the web...

How does that work?

Go to icetv.com.au and select the TV GUIDE button. You will need to choose your area and from there it's pretty obvious. AFAIK you can only view the data - saving it to another device requires a subscription.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: raymondjpg on April 21, 2014, 10:04:29 AM
Go to icetv.com.au and select the TV GUIDE button. You will need to choose your area and from there it's pretty obvious. AFAIK you can only view the data - saving it to another device requires a subscription.
I see what you mean. I thought (perhaps incorrectly) that BikeMike meant something like a subscription to XML data only, not Interactive. Certainly the TV Guide page would be useful for someone maybe wishing to manually modify a scheduled recording or two.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on April 21, 2014, 11:43:13 AM
As far as I'm concerned, the Auto Timer capability on the T3 is no match for IceTV, especially IceTV's handling of repeats. It is possible to set up a T3 Auto Timer with an exclusion on the string RPT in the program short description, but that tagging is not nearly enough to compete with IceTV's (occasionally fallible) repeat marking. In particular, the T3 has no repeat marking in the EPG for any ABC or SBS programs.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Dave at IceTV on April 24, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
As far as I'm concerned, the Auto Timer capability on the T3 is no match for IceTV, especially IceTV's handling of repeats. It is possible to set up a T3 Auto Timer with an exclusion on the string RPT in the program short description, but that tagging is not nearly enough to compete with IceTV's (occasionally fallible) repeat marking. In particular, the T3 has no repeat marking in the EPG for any ABC or SBS programs.
Exactly. Any built-in series recording in a PVR is only as good as the EPG data that the PVR uses to determine if a show is part of a series or is a repeat. Most PVRs with built-in series recording don't provide a choice to exclude or include repeats. Last time I checked the FTA EPG on a PVR, only 2 of the major city TV networks had repeat flags and only on some of their channels. And the TV networks still like to change the title of their shows during the season which causes a PVR using it's own series recording system to miss recording the episodes with changed titles.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: oster on May 13, 2014, 07:13:39 AM
"There are now three options for Beyonwiz fans...""
Hmm, well actually there is a fourth, offload our old Beyonwiz units, updgrade to the T3 and cease IceTV subscription.

This is a disapointing. As a long term IceTV subscriber, I'd like to continue to use it but with the advances in free EPG since I began subscribing, It is actually a pretty expensive way to get a repeat flag. I think the benefits of the T3 outwiegh the loss of that function.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Vortical on May 18, 2014, 01:57:02 PM
Saw this posted on the beyonwiz forum that was received from ice tv in the last couple of days, looks like there is a glimmer of hope yet for ice tv integration on the T3.

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Thank you for contacting IceTV Customer Support
There is an excellent chance that IceTV will be available on the Beyonwiz T3, though it isn't a done deal just yet.
Best Regards,
Dave
IceTV Service
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: netless on May 18, 2014, 03:20:31 PM
As a satisfied long time ICE / Beyonwiz DP-P2 user I am very keen to update to the Beyonwiz T3. Like quite a few other out there I appear to be being forced to choose with one of these two firms. ICE has a smooth EPG scheduling system & Beyonwiz make excellent hardware. I would urge both side to come to an agreement, for their customers sake, on supporting the T3. At the end of the day I will probably opt for good hardware - but I feel the current stand off is a loose - loose for both ICE & Beyonwiz  >:(
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Joffa on May 25, 2014, 10:45:23 PM
I came to this thread out of a bit of frustration - finding it from a google bash of how others are finding the T3 from a usability perspective.

Have had a DP-S1 since I got to Aus in 2009. I bought it since I'd just moved from the US & the beyonwiz was one of the only STB's I could find on the market that could drive my US NTSC TV.

The needs for that has gone now since I've got an Aus TV, and whereas the DP-S1 still works great for TV,  it's DVD player is slowly dying (I guess from a bad power supply issue).

I had no idea what IceTV was when I bought the box but when I found out it was like the PVRs I was used to back in the US I was delighted & have used it every day, as has my wife, who is not technically minded but has coped just fine with the simple IceTV GUI.

Since I've now also got an Aus Blueray in my rack, I have no real need for the STB to have a DVD on board, so I decided to upgrade the Beyonwiz & retire the DP-S1 down to the media room so I can get TV down there as well as just movies. Since I've been very happy with Beyonwiz & especially the ease of recording, I stayed with the brand & just bought a T3.

After the usual set-up, I dived in & looked around for where to enter my IceTV settings, not knowing there wouldn't be any. I know I may be ignorant, but I always thought that IceTV & Beyonwiz were joined at the hip. They seemed so tightly integrated on the DP-S1 that I actually thought that IceTV & Beyonwiz were the same product!

Had I known the T3 had no IceTV before I purchased, I think I would have reconsidered (as of right now).

My reason for this is that the first impressions of T3 guide / record GUI is horrible. Any GUI change can take a while to adjust, but coming from the purely intuitive options of IceTV on the DP-S1, I was pretty horrified to find that any time I pressed record, or tried to change a channel after pausing previously, I was presented with long lists of options about exactly how I wanted the box to interpret my request. To be clear, my wife doesn't understand what terms like timeshift mean (I'm not sure she even knows it's a real word actually!), and lists of questions nearly 2 pages long every time she pressed a button did not go down well at all. I also seem to have lost series record / remote record etc. Perhaps I'll find them eventually, but it looks like I'll have to learn some pretty complex menus first.

I know a lot of people like detailed options, but a lot of people just want it to work too. Net point in my case is that I'm going away with work for a week tomorrow & have had to downgrade the living room back to the DP-S1 again otherwise I'll face becoming an offshore helpdesk from an annoyed wife who has no idea what the box is asking her to do whilst she's busy missing her favourite program.

Can't IceTV become an optional plug in for the T3 so that people like me who want simple functionality can choose to buy/install & use it? That way everyone wins. Beyonwiz get to offer a more detailed EPG GUI for those who want that, users can choose to stick with IceTV if they prefer their way of navigating, Beyonwiz don't have to pay IceTV since only users who want it will pay for it, IceTV get a great (open source based) platform to distribute their product / reach customers on etc. Beyonwiz could even charge IceTV a 'dating agent' fee for any new customers they send through which IceTV could pass through to the end user within their subscription fee (which if the product is good enough, people would be happy to pay).

Apple have been doing this for years.

Any thoughts?

Joffa

PS - the T3 also seems to be zooming my image slightly & I'll loosing info from the left right of the screen - even on their guide. I've tried every setting possible & can't find out how to fix this (even though I've only spent an hour and gotten through 10% of their options in the set-up screens so far!)
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: BikeMike on May 26, 2014, 08:20:01 AM
Beyonwiz don't have to pay IceTV....  Beyonwiz could even charge IceTV....

Well it appears that IceTV have the opposite opinion! They want some sort of "acceptable commercial terms" from Beyonwiz before they will allow our T3's access to the service we pay for.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on May 26, 2014, 11:41:56 AM
I came to this thread out of a bit of frustration - finding it from a google bash of how others are finding the T3 from a usability perspective.
You'd probably be better off posting about the T3 on the Beyonwiz forum.

Can't IceTV become an optional plug in for the T3 so that people like me who want simple functionality can choose to buy/install & use it? That way everyone wins. Beyonwiz get to offer a more detailed EPG GUI for those who want that, users can choose to stick with IceTV if they prefer their way of navigating, Beyonwiz don't have to pay IceTV since only users who want it will pay for it, IceTV get a great (open source based) platform to distribute their product / reach customers on etc. Beyonwiz could even charge IceTV a 'dating agent' fee for any new customers they send through which IceTV could pass through to the end user within their subscription fee (which if the product is good enough, people would be happy to pay).
Beyonwiz can only have IceTV on a PVR if they license it from IceTV. Until they come to an agreement about that, there's no IceTV on the T3, builtin or plugin. The rest is whatever Beyonwiz and IceTV work out between themselves, and I doubt that they'll tell us.

PS - the T3 also seems to be zooming my image slightly & I'll loosing info from the left right of the screen - even on their guide. I've tried every setting possible & can't find out how to fix this (even though I've only spent an hour and gotten through 10% of their options in the set-up screens so far!)
It's the TV overscanning. If you can adjust overscan on the TV, set it to have no overscan.

If the TV doesn't allow you to do that (mine doesn't), you can get the T3 to adjust the amount of space that it uses for its GUI. There are detailed instructions (http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=47&t=7723&p=105757&hilit=osd+position#p105757) about how to do this on the Beyonwiz forum. As I said, you'll probably do better with things like this by posting there.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on May 26, 2014, 11:45:00 AM
Beyonwiz don't have to pay IceTV....  Beyonwiz could even charge IceTV....

Well it appears that IceTV have the opposite opinion! They want some sort of "acceptable commercial terms" from Beyonwiz before they will allow our T3's access to the service we pay for.
As I said in my previous post, Beyonwiz needs to license IceTV in order to have it on a new product. They need to come to an agreement on that, and of course it would need to be on "acceptable commercial terms" to both, because otherwise an agreement is unlikely.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Joffa on May 27, 2014, 11:35:53 PM
The point I was making about charges is that 'acceptable commercial terms' can take many shapes & sizes in today's markets. A big upfront fee from Beyonwiz puts all the risk on them. If IceTV is a big enough draw to help them sell more product, then 'phew', it was worth it. If not, they loose.
On the other hand, if IceTV believe enough in their product, then T3 users will lap it up & they'll still make money.
Without some kind of arrangement no one wins & even though a big upfront from Beyonwiz may not be a mutually acceptable solution, some money has to be better than no money?
Fee for service is a common concept, as are other creative financing vehicles such as performance related payments (ie: lower up front, then staged payments based on #users adopting IceTV on the T3 platform), per user payments, pass through to the end user (ie: increases subscription) etc...
I'm just not sure I see solution thinking vs problem identification here.
Anyway, perhaps I'll just leave the T3 in the basement until someone fixes the problem to a user friendly enough level where it can be brought up to the living room.
Thanks for the comments on the over scanning btw. I'll give that a go over the weekend.
Cheers
Jof
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on May 28, 2014, 12:13:20 PM
And the point I was making is that there's no public information about what the terms are that are being discussed between Beyonwiz and IceTV.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on May 28, 2014, 02:23:03 PM
It may not even be a matter of 'payment'. Could be something like 'who is going to pay to develop the capability?'
This too is just a guess from a stack of possibilities - we just don't know.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: MrQuade on May 29, 2014, 06:19:25 PM
Looks like the terms have been sorted!! :)

http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=7944&sid=fc9792e7a634a4e32c3d2b4645493705

Glad I held onto my subscription :)
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on May 29, 2014, 08:37:54 PM
Well done IceTV and Beyonwiz!
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on May 30, 2014, 03:50:41 PM
Yes indeed!
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: BikeMike on July 26, 2014, 09:39:55 AM
Looks like the terms have been sorted!! :)

http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=7944&sid=fc9792e7a634a4e32c3d2b4645493705

Glad I held onto my subscription :)

But the original "10 - 12 weeks" has blown out to "from November", that's 6 months to integrate it into the T3!
http://www.icetv.com.au/about/compatibility.shtml
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on August 29, 2014, 02:33:25 PM
I notice that Beyonwiz T3 is now an option when adding a new recorder. Have I missed an announcement?
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on September 02, 2014, 12:16:02 PM
I notice that Beyonwiz T3 is now an option when adding a new recorder. Have I missed an announcement?
It's there for beta testing. The firmware for IceTV on the T3 hasn't been released publicly yet, so I guess that's why there hasn't been an announcement.

Discussion about the IceTV beta on the Beyonwiz T3 forum starts here (http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=7944&start=30#p111470).
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: gomaxx on September 17, 2014, 06:19:31 PM
Gone public today...

Huzza

 8)
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: gmitton on September 21, 2014, 07:46:47 AM
I received an email announcing that IceTV is now available on the Boyonwiz T3. I have a T3 and an ICETV subscription. There are no software updates I can see for either that enables the feature.

Can someone in ICETV let me know what to do?
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on September 21, 2014, 08:47:19 AM
I'm not from IceTV, but have a look here.

http://beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewforum.php?f=37

Also, from within IceTV, go to My Account, My Recorders to add your T3.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on September 21, 2014, 09:32:44 AM
More particularly, here (http://beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=8334) and here (http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=8340).

The problem mentioned in the second link appears to affect only 4TB T3s, and possibly only 4TB T3s that were originally formatted with early firmware (possibly before firmware 20140413), though that's still to be verified.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Fester on September 21, 2014, 10:39:16 AM
Also, from within IceTV, go to My Account, My Recorders to add your T3.

I didn't even have to do that, as soon as I logged in to IceTV from my T3 on the new firmware it did that automatically.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: prl on September 21, 2014, 10:56:57 AM
Also, from within IceTV, go to My Account, My Recorders to add your T3.

I didn't even have to do that, as soon as I logged in to IceTV from my T3 on the new firmware it did that automatically.
That's what I did, too.
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Paul55 on September 21, 2014, 02:34:20 PM
When I get a T3, I'll do it that way ;D ;D
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: peteru on October 02, 2014, 11:16:37 AM
There is an update available to improve IceTV functionality, including client side padding.

Available now either as an online update or USB upgrade image (http://peteru.net/T3/beyonwiz-4.2-beyonwizt3-20141001_usb.zip).
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: IanL-S on November 04, 2014, 04:48:50 PM
<<snip>> - what product do the non IceTV units use to schedule and manage recordings?

The means by which you can do this depends on the particular PVR. With Topfield TMS units, there are several powerful TAPs (Topfield Application Programs) that allow you to schedule and manage recordings. You can also remotely manage them over LAN or internet using TMSWebServer.

Ian
Title: Re: Beyonwiz T3
Post by: Fester on November 05, 2014, 09:01:28 AM
<<snip>> - what product do the non IceTV units use to schedule and manage recordings?

The means by which you can do this depends on the particular PVR. With Topfield TMS units, there are several powerful TAPs (Topfield Application Programs) that allow you to schedule and manage recordings. You can also remotely manage them over LAN or internet using TMSWebServer.

Ian

My daughter has my Toppy 2460 now, I am over Topfields, they have been nothing but unreliable for me. My Beyonwiz T3 never misses a beat.