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Title: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide data?
Post by: Shane on February 18, 2005, 08:50:43 PM
Trying to get this to work - I have deleted all channels except the main 5 and I use channel "1" for channel Ten. What do I need to do to make this work?

All other channels have their guide data working.

Oh one other question... is there a way to automate the Toppy ice loader? I'd like to leave a PC connected and have it automatically pull the guide down and load when there is only 2 or so days in the guide?

Thanks,
Shane.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: pvogel on February 18, 2005, 09:05:39 PM
The default settings assume channel 11 for TEN, any reason you want to use 1?  I think yuo can configure an alias in the IceGUide4Topfield.ini file, but I'd need to do some research.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Shane on February 18, 2005, 09:43:21 PM
The Channel "1" I am talking about is the button I press on the Toppy remote to bring up Channel Ten. In Sydney I thought Ten had it's main channel as 10 or 1 (thats what everyone I know who has a DVB-T STB uses to display it)?

How do I find out what the details I need are for the Alias?

Thanks,
Shane.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: pvogel on February 19, 2005, 07:05:03 AM
Please tell me what frequency is reported for this channel (in the channel banner when you press the i button).
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Shane on February 19, 2005, 10:01:51 AM
The details it reports are:

Ch 11
219.500 MHz
BW 7 MHz

Regards,
Shane.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: pvogel on February 19, 2005, 01:24:34 PM
Oh, I just realised that all TEN services will on the same frequency ... doh... you need the one that's called TEN Digital (when you press the OK button to list channels).  If it;s called Ten Digital 1 or something else, it will not match teh guide.  You could set up an alias, but it would be better to simply delete that one and tune in TEN Digital.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Shane on February 19, 2005, 09:01:47 PM
This is still called TEN Digital - Channel Ten send out two logical channel numbers for their main broadcast channel in Sydney, "1" and "10"

For some reason I am not getting EPG data for this channel.

Regards,
Shane.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: pvogel on February 19, 2005, 09:08:40 PM
The guide is configured to correspond to LCN 10, not 1.  Can you use LCN instead?
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Shane on February 20, 2005, 09:12:57 AM
LCN 10 is working, however we use LCN 1 due to it only being one ir transmit rather than two (cleaner for my programmable remote)... is there any way I can set an alias for this in the icetv settings?

Thanks,
Shane.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: pvogel on February 20, 2005, 11:53:42 AM
Okay, this should do the job. Edit IceGuide4Topfeild.ini as follows:

[Alias]
#Alias for Ten Sydney LCN 1
Alias=5,95,1569,1538,4116

This will force it to use LCN 1 instead of 11.  For Sydney mulitplexes only.

Let me whether that solves the problem.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Shane on February 20, 2005, 03:27:12 PM
Update:

It is now working, approx 30 mins after loading the data.

Regards,
Shane.
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The services.ini on the Topfield is showing that the Alias is correct, but I am still not getting guide data on LCN 1.

Is there a repository where you are getting the details (sid, tsid, onid) that I can look at and play with rather than having you chase it for me?

If not, any other ideas?

Thanks,
Shane.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: pvogel on February 20, 2005, 10:34:10 PM
Glad to hear that solved the problem.

As a suggestion for testing things, you can turn on "OSD debug" option through the menu you get when you press Exit while watching TV normally.  This will cause a little box to be displayed at the top of the screen showing where it;s up to in loading the guide.

Here are a couple of sites for finding service details:

http://users.bigpond.net.au/wyp/dtvinfo/
http://www.goldcoastguy.com/epg/
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: tonymy01 on February 22, 2005, 02:58:34 PM
Remember, the transport stream and original network id of all the channels in the one multiplex will be the same, the only difference is the service_id.   The good thing about this is that the standard Topfield API will give you access to the service_id of the channel, so a simple way of determining this service_id of 1 instead of 10 is to run my "infodisplay" TAP (the new version of it requires the use of TSR_commander to bring up the display), and then edit the ini file accordingly.
If I was at thome in front of the Toppy I could just rattle off the numbers for you, but if you run this tap and surf to 1 then 10, you should be able to see the service_id and therefore know which digit to alter in the ini file.
Regards
Tony
http://tonyspage.abock.de/
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: crevice on February 24, 2005, 08:48:22 AM
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Update:

It is now working, approx 30 mins after loading the data.

Regards,
Shane.
==============

The services.ini on the Topfield is showing that the Alias is correct, but I am still not getting guide data on LCN 1.

Is there a repository where you are getting the details (sid, tsid, onid) that I can look at and play with rather than having you chase it for me?

If not, any other ideas?

Thanks,
Shane.


Is there any chance of speeding up the EPG data loading?  It will still take up to 10mins for the current time/date EPG to display?
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Shane on February 24, 2005, 09:42:02 AM
Mine loads pretty quickly now. I have found however that the Topfield loads all guide data it has, including any older days, first.

For example, say if today is Thursday, and if the guide data in the Toppy has the data from the just passed Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday still loaded, it will load all of that data first, rather than discarding it and just loading from todays date. If you go to your guide whilst it is loading and go back a few days you will see it loading.

Not sure if it would be possible or not, but if the ice TAP could look t todays date and only load data for the current day and future days, I am sure this would spead up the perceived load times.

Regards,
Shane.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Daniel Drysdale at IceTV on February 24, 2005, 02:15:22 PM
Shane,

Are you certain about the loading of old guide data?

The very first thing the TAP does when it loads is to search through the cache files looking for old data, the files are named YYYYMMDDHHMMSS_EPG_CACHE, the TAP takes the current system date and generates a string like YYYYMMDD, this is then compared with the first 8 characters of the file names in the directory and any matches are deleted.

This functionality has been in the TAP since the very earliest versions, I have never seen the TAP fail to delete old guide data.

Could you do me a favor and create an empty file called 20050101000000.EPG_CACHE and put it in the directory with the TAP, then restart the TAP and see if it deletes the file.

Regards
Dan

UPDATE:

Russell has confirmed the same behaviour, I'll have to look into it, there may have been a bug introduced recently, the code that controls EPG loading was heavily modified a couple of versions ago....

Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Russell at IceTV on February 24, 2005, 03:31:52 PM
One thing you can do in the mean time, is connect with Altair, change to the "\ProgramFiles\Auto Start" directory, and remove any old "CACHE" files.  They're stored in the format "YYYYMMDDHHMMSS_EPG_CACHE", so if you were doing this today (Feb. 24th), you'd delete any files beginning with 20050223 or older.

You can watch the debug messages to see which files are being loaded, by pressing Exit from normal tv-watching mode, and enabling OSD Debug.

Thanks,
Russell
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Russell at IceTV on February 24, 2005, 06:05:46 PM
Ok, after some extensive testing, I've discovered a few things...  well, mostly I've discovered that I fixed it, but I don't completely understand how :-)

First, if you're experiencing this problem, please use Altair to connect to the Topfield and take a screenshot of the "\ProgramFiles\Auto Start" directory.  Then send it to info@icetv.info.  Maybe we'll find a common thread there...

Now, what I did to fix it... Doesn't sound like it should fix it, does it... but it did, at least for me.  :-)  My only guess is that there was some kind of directory corruption, and by deleting all the files, it somehow reset it.  I noticed that before I did all this, the CACHE files were being sorted at the bottom of the list (you can change the sort order by clicking the headers, but when you click the Refresh button, it seems to always go back to the default).  After doing these steps, the CACHE files are now sorted correctly, at the top of the list.

Very strange...

Russell
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: crevice on February 25, 2005, 08:36:50 AM
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Mine loads pretty quickly now. I have found however that the Topfield loads all guide data it has, including any older days, first.

For example, say if today is Thursday, and if the guide data in the Toppy has the data from the just passed Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday still loaded, it will load all of that data first, rather than discarding it and just loading from todays date. If you go to your guide whilst it is loading and go back a few days you will see it loading.

Not sure if it would be possible or not, but if the ice TAP could look t todays date and only load data for the current day and future days, I am sure this would spead up the perceived load times.

Regards,
Shane.

I though peter had fixed this when i raised it with him about 2 weeks ago.  Looks like not.
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Shane on February 28, 2005, 08:21:13 PM
Russell,

I did as you have below and now the Topfield just loads everything from today onwards, not any previous days, so it is fixed.

Anyone know any way to "jump" to the current day/time in the grid view (red button) EPG? Scrolling manually left and right is driving me insane.

Thanks,
Shane.


Quote
Ok, after some extensive testing, I've discovered a few things...  well, mostly I've discovered that I fixed it, but I don't completely understand how :-)

First, if you're experiencing this problem, please use Altair to connect to the Topfield and take a screenshot of the "\ProgramFiles\Auto Start" directory.  Then send it to info@icetv.info.  Maybe we'll find a common thread there...

Now, what I did to fix it...
  • Put the Topfield in normal tv-watching mode, press Exit on the remote, and select "Terminate ICELink Interface".
  • In Altair, copy all files from the Topfield's "\ProgramFiles\Auto Start" directory to a directory on your PC.
  • Delete all files in the "\ProgramFiles\Auto Start" directory on the Topfield.
  • Copy the same files from the PC back to the Topfield.
  • Turn the Topfield off and back on.
  • After the ICELink logo comes up, press Exit on the remote and enable OSD Debug to see which guide files are being loaded.  Hopefully it's the one for today's date (if you have that one on the Topfield).
  • In Altair, look in the "\ProgramFiles\Auto Start" directory and hopefully all CACHE files older than today's date will be gone.
  • Please send an email to info@icetv.info and let us know what happened.
Doesn't sound like it should fix it, does it... but it did, at least for me.  :-)  My only guess is that there was some kind of directory corruption, and by deleting all the files, it somehow reset it.  I noticed that before I did all this, the CACHE files were being sorted at the bottom of the list (you can change the sort order by clicking the headers, but when you click the Refresh button, it seems to always go back to the default).  After doing these steps, the CACHE files are now sorted correctly, at the top of the list.

Very strange...

Russell
Title: Re: Channel "1" in Sydney has no guide d
Post by: Daniel Drysdale at IceTV on March 04, 2005, 02:02:00 PM
The Green button goes back one day and the Yellow button goes forward but I haven't seen a Jump to Today option. I usually exit the Guide and go back in.