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Title: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: Russell at IceTV on February 27, 2009, 11:32:23 AM
Update: we've added the ability to remove the "MOVIE:" prefix from movie titles in the Windows 7 guide.  See this post (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=2156) for the details.

Media Center in Windows 7 has the option of colouring show titles differently based on their category (Movie, News, etc.).  This makes spotting movies much easier, because they're all purple in the guide.  You can vote in the poll above as to whether or not the "MOVIE:" text should be removed in Win7's EPG.

To enable this feature in Media Center, go to Tasks / Settings / TV / Guide / Guide Page Options.  Then enable the checkbox for "Apply colored backgrounds to shows, based on their category".
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: Circuitau on February 27, 2009, 12:03:19 PM
I voted yes because it makes sense to me, but I am not sure if there are any reasons not to do this.

Circuit
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: dgaust on February 27, 2009, 04:10:10 PM
I believe so.... given the colour category (and the fact I asked for this prior to Win7's release anyway).  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: s3070416 on February 27, 2009, 09:43:01 PM
The guide colouring looks good, but the programs in the guide don't seem to be comprehensively tagged so it loses a lot of it's value. For example, Lateline and World News are coloured yellow, but Ten News isn't. Likewise the movies The Guardian and Braveheart are coloured purple, but Hitch isn't.

Is this an IceTV guide issue that will be amended over time?
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: Russell at IceTV on February 27, 2009, 10:52:38 PM
Lateline and World News are coloured yellow, but Ten News isn't. Likewise the movies The Guardian and Braveheart are coloured purple, but Hitch isn't.

Hmm, that's very strange, because I'm definitely seeing Ten News in yellow and Hitch in purple.  I checked the guide data also, and it seems to be correct as far as the categories those shows are in.  Ten News is tagged as "News, Live" and Hitch is "Comedy, Romance, Movie".  Anyone else seeing that?

Russell
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: s3070416 on February 27, 2009, 11:20:40 PM
Hmm.... Hitch is also missing the "Movie:" in the title. In fact the title is "Hitch -Rpt" and the record series option is present so it seems to think it's a series rather than a movie.

Also, it was actually "Ten Late News" that was failing to be coloured. "Sports Tonight" directly afterwards gets the correct colouring though.

More data in case this helps:

The movie Be Cool also isn't being coloured, is titled "Be Cool -Rpt" and has the record series option present.

The movies, True Blue, Braveheart and Hot Shots! Part Deux are all being coloured correctly.

For tomorrow night, the movie Center Stage is correctly coloured but 50 First Dates has the same non-colouring, Rpt and series recording problem.

I'm in canberra and i use the "Win TV Canberra" and "SC10 Canberra" and "Prime Canberra" channels.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: Russell at IceTV on February 28, 2009, 12:41:01 AM
Ok, it sounds to me like you're not seeing the IceTV guide data -- you're probably seeing the EIT data that comes over the broadcast.  Those show names are definitely not in our database, and we don't use "-Rpt".

When you setup the IceTV guide, did you check all the channel names on the Edit Channels page, like I described in my original post (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1625.0)?  Are you seeing "-IceTV" at the end of all the channel names on the Edit Channels page?  If not, take a look at my instructions again and see if you can manually map the IceTV listings to the channels.

Russell
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: s3070416 on February 28, 2009, 10:00:05 AM
ahh, you're right. thanks.

I'm pretty sure they were there when i first mapped them. It might be related to some flakeyness in the Windows 7 signal setup and guide:

- in the Edit Channels menu i get each channel repeated 3 times. e.g.

   5    SC10 Canberra
   5    SC10 Canberra
   5    SC10 Canberra
   8    WIN TV Canberra
   8    WIN TV Canberra
   8    WIN TV Canberra

This happens even on the first scan, or if i delete all channels and rescan.

- every few days i get a whole bunch of new channels appear in the guide. I like to disable all but 7 channels so i can see them all at once, but randomly i get additional channels tha were previously disabled appearing there.

This is all a bit off-topic, but just in case it helps.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: ancall on February 28, 2009, 05:44:08 PM
Yes - makes sense.  Also shows up saved movies in the Movies tag.
ancall
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: s3070416 on February 28, 2009, 11:22:06 PM
ahhh, fwiw, anyone who notices that disabled channels keep reappearing and their IceTV guide keeps getting replaced by the in-band guide you might want to check out this thread:

http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-media-center-software/34943-channels-keep-reappearing.html (http://www.xpmediacentre.com.au/community/windows-7-media-center-software/34943-channels-keep-reappearing.html)

It looks like the opportunistic scanning bug in Vista has reappeared in Windows 7 and tends to affect Australian users. There's a registry fix linked to from that thread.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: dgaust on March 01, 2009, 03:35:19 PM
Yeah, it's not the same bug unfortunately. The opportunistic scanning registry keys don't fix the issue on Win 7 (at least for me, and everyone else I've spoken to about it).

MS are aware of the problem, and it should be fixed by release.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: s3070416 on March 01, 2009, 07:41:53 PM
The first time i tried the registry fix it didn't work, then i rebooted, deleted all channels rescanned and it's been good for a whole day now. Previously it wouldn't last 2 minutes so hopefully that's the end of it. i wouldn't be surprised if it's back tomorrow though. Glad to hear that microsoft knows about it.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: s3070416 on March 01, 2009, 10:32:33 PM
ermm...ignore my last post.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: dgaust on March 02, 2009, 08:46:25 AM
 :D It's a painful bug. On occasion I open up the guide and everything (including a couple of channels) is missing. It's worse than the opportunistic scanning bug in Vista.

Anyway, in relation to movies, if you want some really good extra meta-data for movies like Similar Movies, Cast & Crew information and an extended synopsis, then you can change the registry key

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Media Center\Settings\MCE.GlobalSettings\systemGeoISO2

from Au to US. You'll then get additional information downloaded from AMG if the movie contains a Name (obviously it would) and a year that can be matched with the AMG database.

Sometimes Win7 will overwrite the registry key though (i think MCUpdate does it), so you need to keep an eye on it. There is a tool that can do this for you, and automatically change the key back to US when it's changed, but I don't know if I'm allowed to link to external software on this forum (I wrote the app, so I know there's nothing bad in it).
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: Marc on March 02, 2009, 11:58:03 PM
I don't know if I'm allowed to link to external software on this forum (I wrote the app, so I know there's nothing bad in it).
Don't see an issue with that at all.

Link away!
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: dgaust on March 03, 2009, 09:59:57 AM
Ok, just grab the file from here (http://remote.gordonhome.info/keepgeo.exe). Just drop it into your startup folder and it will keep an eye on the registry key for you. The additional information you can get is brilliant.

Also not sure if you guys see the need, but I like to update my guide from within MCE if I've been doing some fiddling (or when the channels screw up due to the MS bug), but since we're loading data externally via the loadxmf tool, the internal MS 'Get Latest Listings' feature won't work.

So I built a MCPL application to do just that. It's fairly basic, just a single button that runs your scheduled task, but it works.

You just need to put the name of your scheduled task in the settings.xml file located in the install directory. i.e if you followed the instructions in
this thread (http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=1625.0), your settings xml would look like

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<settings>
  <taskname>Update IceTV Guide</taskname>
</settings>

I haven't tested it via an extender session, and it's still only an early build (it doesn't give any real feeback that it's doing anything yet) but if people want to use it, it's
here (http://remote.gordonhome.info/getepg.msi)
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: blaize on May 12, 2009, 12:19:05 PM
I'm voting Yes as I hate the recorded TV movies showing up in my DVD library  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: dgaust on May 13, 2009, 10:19:05 AM
That, in general, won't fix the issue. Since Microsoft take the information from a flag call IsMovie as opposed to the Movie: in the name.

Microsoft have added a registry key setting so that recorded movies won't show up (although with the right regional settings, and Ice's data, you can get nice meta data for those types of movies). I don't know the details of which key as yet.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: OzRob on August 26, 2009, 11:15:23 AM
I voted No because I like the fact that you can easily see at a glance what is a movie and what's not in you Recorded TV folder in Media Center.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: brendonrd on September 25, 2009, 11:39:42 PM
There is an option under the Movies row that lets you view the up-coming movies that are listed in you guide. I personally scan through this each week now to see what we want to watch.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: ldpeter on October 02, 2009, 08:48:45 PM
Hi Guys,

I actually found a really good reason to remove the MOVIE: tonight. The movie Children of Dune wasn't marked as MOVIE: Children of Dune, instead it was just marked as Children of Dune, with this marked correctly, Windows 7 Media Centre got the movie front cover from AMG! It also had another page that was called similar movies! I thought it was really cool, if anyone looks at this post between 8:30pm and 10:00pm Friday night check out the Children of Dune listing for the Go! channel.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: ldpeter on October 09, 2009, 10:11:30 PM
Bump! Do we know if this will be changed?
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: adsjc on October 11, 2009, 04:14:05 AM
Hi Guys,

I actually found a really good reason to remove the MOVIE: tonight. The movie Children of Dune wasn't marked as MOVIE: Children of Dune, instead it was just marked as Children of Dune, with this marked correctly, Windows 7 Media Centre got the movie front cover from AMG! It also had another page that was called similar movies! I thought it was really cool, if anyone looks at this post between 8:30pm and 10:00pm Friday night check out the Children of Dune listing for the Go! channel.

Thanks.
I agree, the extra data from AMG makes a addition to the icetv info.
I don't suppose this could be set as an option in "My Account" on the icetv website? That way everyone gets what they want  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: Russell at IceTV on October 11, 2009, 04:48:34 AM
I don't suppose this could be set as an option in "My Account" on the icetv website? That way everyone gets what they want  ;D

Yes, that's what we're thinking as well.  We're doing some tests to see about the extra movie info, and looking at making it an option under My Account as to whether or not the MOVIE: prefix is included.  It seems like that's the best way to handle it, since there's not a clear consensus, and there might be times when you want to change it.

Thanks,
Russell
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: ldpeter on October 11, 2009, 01:44:25 PM
Thanks Russell that would be great !  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: adsjc on October 12, 2009, 02:37:20 AM
...We're doing some tests to see about the extra movie info, and looking at making it an option under My Account as to whether or not the MOVIE: prefix is included... 

Well if you need a guinea pig I'm sure I'm not the only one here thats ready and willing  ;D
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: ldpeter on October 12, 2009, 12:45:35 PM
...We're doing some tests to see about the extra movie info, and looking at making it an option under My Account as to whether or not the MOVIE: prefix is included... 

Well if you need a guinea pig I'm sure I'm not the only one here thats ready and willing  ;D

+1
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: adsjc on October 26, 2009, 07:45:56 PM
...We're doing some tests to see about the extra movie info, and looking at making it an option under My Account as to whether or not the MOVIE: prefix is included.  It seems like that's the best way to handle it, since there's not a clear consensus, and there might be times when you want to change it...


Do We have any update/ETA on this?
(not pushing, just wondering  ;D)
Title: Re: Poll: Should "MOVIE:" be removed from movie titles in Win7's EPG?
Post by: Russell at IceTV on October 27, 2009, 07:33:11 AM
Update: we've added the ability to remove the "MOVIE:" prefix from movie titles in the Windows 7 guide.  See this post for the details:

New feature: remove "MOVIE:" prefix from movie titles
http://www.icetv.com.au/iceforum/index.php?topic=2156

Thanks,
Russell