Started by wappinghigh, May 22, 2011, 11:05:21 PM
Quote from: tonymy01 on May 23, 2011, 05:08:25 AM... eutopia ...
Quote from: prl on May 23, 2011, 09:28:28 AMNo "e" in utopia. :) Not even in the original Greek. Comes from "ou-" = "no" and "-topos" = place, not, perhaps surprisingly, "eu-" = "good, well". It may have lost the "o" in its Latinisation, thanks to Sir Thomas More.
Quote from: grampus on May 23, 2011, 10:23:44 AMSounds like a direct quote from "Letters and Numbers?" SBS.Any relation? ::)
Quote from: Daniel Drysdale at IceTV on May 23, 2011, 05:48:21 AMtonymy01 is dead right on this one..We have certainly discussed this idea in the office many times and there are serious legal issues that make it impossible.About 2 years ago the law was changed to allow you to record TV programs for personal use, prior to that it was technically illegal to use a PVR or VCR but clearly that law wasn't enforced.The law now allows recording of TV shows but only for personal use, not commercial use, in fact even for personal use there are a bunch of stupid restrictions that make your head hurt.When you record a TV show you are allowed to watch it once only, you are then supposed to delete it. If you and your family were to watch a movie and you fell asleep in the middle then you can watch the rest later but no one else is allowed to.... Not sure how they plan to enforce that part.In any case for a commercial entity, and particularly one that has spent so much time and money in legal battles with the networks, there is no way we would touch this unless the law was changed.
Quote from: wappinghigh on May 23, 2011, 01:05:04 PMThis is just a cop out. If you were recording for a customer's "personal use", why would the law have a problem with this? Does the law say WHERE that recording has to actually exist? Or WHO does that recording for the personal customer? Could not the customer's personal recording be in the "cloud" for example, with a specific software identifier. The model being: I chose on the icetv website what to record. Ice TV records it for me. Then adds a specific personal identifier exclusive to me, and I simply download the recorded file at my convenience when I want to view it. I wouldn't care if I could only view it once. You could have it self delete after that, to please the "authorities" if you want. All I care about is 100% guaranteed viewability of what I want "recorded". At the moment this just doesn't exist.
Quote from: wappinghigh on May 23, 2011, 01:05:04 PMAs you say DVR's and VCR recorders have been in existence for decades, effectively against the law. Yet this didn't stop the makers and public from embracing them. Since when should the law be the ONLY factor that dictates the adoption and efficient delivery of technology. If all companies thought like that, we would never have had the internet, computers, facebook, ebay, itunes and the ipod...and probably TV itself....
Quote from: wappinghigh on May 23, 2011, 01:05:04 PMThere doesn't seem to be any problem with our National broadcaster (and therefore the Commonwealth Government) effectively breaking the very law that they set up and you describe RIGHT NOW. With iView. There is nothing stopping me viewing the same ABC file over and over again. In my house. On the road. On my iphone. Anywhere. So where is the difference with me viewing a file in the same way that I ask YOU to record for me?
Quote from: wappinghigh on May 23, 2011, 01:05:04 PMSo we have the ABC breaking the law. And you say IceTv "can't"......If you guys don't get the balls to take them on, you won't HAVE a business model when catchup TV takes on. You won't even have a business! So what are you waiting for? Hire some very smart lawyers. And get going. Because what you are doing right now just doesn't cut it any more....Catchup TV is 100% effective. Your service is not....
QuoteCOPYRIGHT ACT 1968 - SECT 87Nature of copyright in television broadcasts and sound broadcastsFor the purposes of this Act, unless the contrary intention appears, copyright, in relation to a television broadcast or sound broadcast, is the exclusive right:(a) in the case of a television broadcast in so far as it consists of visual images--to make a cinematograph film of the broadcast, or a copy of such a film;(b) in the case of a sound broadcast, or of a television broadcast in so far as it consists of sounds--to make a sound recording of the broadcast, or a copy of such a sound recording; and(c) in the case of a television broadcast or of a sound broadcast--to re‑broadcast it or communicate it to the public otherwise than by broadcasting it.
Quote from: wappinghigh on May 23, 2011, 01:05:04 PMDoes the law say WHERE that recording has to actually exist? Or WHO does that recording for the personal customer?
Quote from: futzle on May 23, 2011, 02:09:49 PMQuote from: wappinghigh on May 23, 2011, 01:05:04 PMDoes the law say WHERE that recording has to actually exist? Or WHO does that recording for the personal customer?Well ... yeah, it does, actually. That's a link to the FAQ for the Copyright Amendment 2006, which Daniel was talking about. The situation is much better than it was prior to the amendment, but there's still an air of absurdity about what is and isn't allowed.
Quote from: wappinghigh on May 23, 2011, 02:17:57 PM...Sure. The law never keeps up with technology. The concept of a "cloud" based folder with all ones "recordings" in it has clearly escaped them. It's on the internet. But is completely owned/controlled and payed for by the end user...therefore whether that file exists in the "cloud" or on the HDD of a DVR, really shouldn't matter........
Quote"cinematograph film" means the aggregate of the visual images embodied in an article or thing so as to be capable by the use of that article or thing:(a) of being shown as a moving picture; or(b) of being embodied in another article or thing by the use of which it can be so shown;and includes the aggregate of the sounds embodied in a sound ‑ track associated with such visual images.
Quote... copyright ... is the exclusive right:(a) in the case of a television broadcast ... --to make a cinematograph film of the broadcast, or a copy of such a film;