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WIN have confirmed that they will be launching WINHD and 9Life on Tuesday 1st March.

Any chance we could now have these added to our list of channel options (LCNs etc) in the IceTV guide?

Unfortunately as they are taking over currently broadcasting channels we cannot enable these until they start.

Daniel is correct. The same issue arose when the corresponding changes were made to the Capital city Nine Network transmissions. For example the LCN previously used by GEM became the one used by 9HD, and I thing eXtra moved to the LCN previously use by eXtra 2. It was very messy.

Unfortunately there is no way of avoiding this problem; you will need to do a new service scan to pick up the changes, and then resend the EPG data.

If you have a Topfield with recent firmware, you are best off deleting all services and then doing a new service scan (the new duplicate service identification module does not always work; you end up with the wrong LCNs for many services.

Ian

It's not entirely clear to me exactly what the WinHD/9Life changes will be doing, but it doesn't look like they'll be swapping services on the same LCN and creating the same mess that they did with Nine HD and GEM.

Pre WIN-HD, the WIN channels in Canberra were:
8 Win Canberra
80 GEM Canberra
82 Extra
84 Gold
88 GO!

They now (just re-scanned) have:
8 Win Canberra
80 GEM Canberra
81 WIN Canberra
82 Extra
83 GO!
84 Gold
85 Coming Soon
86 Coming Soon
88 GO!

It's still not clear which service will go to which Coming Soon LCN, though.

If it is anything like Melbourne, GEM Canberra LCN will be taken over by the new MPEG4 HD service, and GEM will revert to standard definition. Looks like GEM Ccanberra will be on either LCN 85 or 86, and presumably the new SD service on the other one. In Melbourne it was a bit more obvious as we had a second Gem LCN for about 6 weeks before the changeover. The really confusing thing was that the new SD sevice appropriated the LCN of eXtra, and eXtra took the LCN of the discontinued eXtra2.

Now, I am sure this makes a lot of sense to everyone.

Ian

I see now that WIN has announced WIN HD on LCN 80, and 9Life on LCN 84. Who knows what other swaps. As you suggested, it's going to be the same sort of mess as the Nine HD transition.


Added: I should have clicked on the announcement.

Post-transition it will be:
WINHD – Channel 80
WIN – Channels 8 & 81
9GEM – Channel 82
9GO! – Channels 83 & 88
9LIFE – Channel 84
EXTRA – Channel 85
GOLD – Channel 86

As I posted earlier, pre-transition is:
8 Win Canberra
80 GEM Canberra
82 Extra
84 Gold
88 GO!

Also, there's this:

QuoteWA Viewers Please Note: Due to technical requirements, the new channels will be delayed by a few days into your area.

::)

Lol, there's a reason we are WA...

Wait
Awhile

Quote from: warkus on February 26, 2016, 11:16:23 PM
Lol, there's a reason we are WA...

Wait
Awhile

It will take a few days before your forum post will arrive in the browser of east coast residents. 8)

Win HD and 9Life are now live (at least here in Canberra).  Can we please have them listed in IceTV now?

Quote from: vader1111 on March 01, 2016, 11:58:05 AM
Win HD and 9Life are now live (at least here in Canberra).  Can we please have them listed in IceTV now?

I've already posted (http://forum.icetv.com.au/iceforum/general-discussions/1/information-needed-for-new-channels-7flix-ten-hd-and-more/5014/msg26642#msg26642) the data IceTV needs for WIN Canberra.

In EyeTV, I retuned for Ch 9/WIN and am still missing the guide(s) for GEM, LIFE, Extra, GOLD.

And in the IceTV page : https://www.icetv.com.au/cgi-bin/webmembers.cgi?op=showIceguide where I can "map" channels to LCN numbers, they are incorrect for some of the WIN channels:

IceTV Channel Name & LCNs are wrong:
GEM is 82, not 80
LIFE is 84, not 94
Extra is 85, not listed on IceTV's "My Account/Channels: Select the correct LCN for each channel"
GOLD is 86, not listed on IceTV's "My Account/Channels: Select the correct LCN for each channel"

IceTV folks, you need to get cracking and get this sorted out. (And yes, I've send an email to tech support)

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iv got no TV guide for my Beyonwiz T4
WINHD – Channel 80
WIN – Channels 8
9GEM – Channel 82
9GO! – Channels 88
9LIFE – Channel 84
how do i fix this thanks i live in Victoria regional.

Quote from: jas55 on March 01, 2016, 06:16:06 PMiv got no TV guide for my Beyonwiz T4 ...

Follow the instructions here (http://forum.icetv.com.au/iceforum/general-discussions/1/information-needed-for-new-channels-7flix-ten-hd-and-more/5014/). You'll need to be a bit more explicit about your location than "regional Victoria". Nearest major centre, for example.

thanks prl

No problem. Saw your post there.

Now live.  Thank-you to the staff at IceTV.

How long before the EPG for Ballarat WINHD and 9Life are working?

Quote from: daylesfordpep on March 02, 2016, 04:40:55 PM
How long before the EPG for Ballarat WINHD and 9Life are working?

Ballarat is now up and running.

When will we get epg info for Tas??

Quote from: Andomoose55 on March 02, 2016, 06:58:46 PM
When will we get epg info for Tas??

Tasmania should be up and running now, but we only have Launceston triplet details, if you aren't seeing the details please post I this thread http://forum.icetv.com.au/iceforum/general-discussions/1/information-needed-for-new-channels-7flix-ten-hd-and-more/5014/

I still have no epg data here in Hobart folks

When do we get info for WinHD and life??

Quote from: Andomoose55 on March 02, 2016, 07:59:15 PM
When do we get info for WinHD and life??

It is now available for Tasmania, if you are not seeing it you may need to run through the steps for your PVR as outlined here:

http://support.icetv.com.au/entries/22568077-A-new-channel-is-available-how-do-I-add-this-to-the-guide-on-my-Recorder-

Done all that still no data on my Humax for 9life and WinHD don't even come up in the channel list in my account

Tasmania, Devonport
On T4 no epg for EXTRA, GOLD
ON Web site no EXTRA or GOLD
On Android no EXTRA or GOLD

Extra and Gold have never had IceTV EPG data. I wouldn't expect that to change.

Quote from: Andomoose55 on March 02, 2016, 11:13:21 PM
Done all that still no data on my Humax for 9life and WinHD don't even come up in the channel list in my account

Having a look at your account both channels LIFE and WIN HD are enabled.

Bowral NSW 2576, still missing GOLD, GEM & Extra (all WIN TV), TVSN, Aspire (all Southern Cross), 4ME, ishoptv & RACING.COM (all Prime), from the IceTV Guide Settings page

Quote from: furbies on March 04, 2016, 09:48:21 PM
Bowral NSW 2576, still missing GOLD, GEM & Extra (all WIN TV), TVSN, Aspire (all Southern Cross), 4ME, ishoptv & RACING.COM (all Prime), from the IceTV Guide Settings page

The IceGuide has never had EPG information for those channels in any area.

I am still not getting EPG for Ballarat.  Should there be new channels under "Channels: Select the correct LCN for each channel"  in the account section to tick the box.

Quote from: prl on March 05, 2016, 03:43:43 PM

Quote from: furbies on March 04, 2016, 09:48:21 PM
Bowral NSW 2576, still missing GOLD, GEM & Extra (all WIN TV), TVSN, Aspire (all Southern Cross), 4ME, ishoptv & RACING.COM (all Prime), from the IceTV Guide Settings page

The IceGuide has never had EPG information for those channels in any area.

Probably should get EPG for GEM.

Quote from: mac37 on March 07, 2016, 03:08:36 PM

Quote from: prl on March 05, 2016, 03:43:43 PM

Quote from: furbies on March 04, 2016, 09:48:21 PM
Bowral NSW 2576, still missing GOLD, GEM & Extra (all WIN TV), TVSN, Aspire (all Southern Cross), 4ME, ishoptv & RACING.COM (all Prime), from the IceTV Guide Settings page

The IceGuide has never had EPG information for those channels in any area.

Probably should get EPG for GEM.

Yes, I missed that. GEM should definitely have EPG. The others have no EPG in IceTV.

Quote from: daylesfordpep on March 07, 2016, 02:31:31 PM
I am still not getting EPG for Ballarat.  Should there be new channels under "Channels: Select the correct LCN for each channel"  in the account section to tick the box.

You might want to follow the instructions in Information needed for new channels (7flix, TEN HD and more) (http://forum.icetv.com.au/iceforum/general-discussions/1/information-needed-for-new-channels-7flix-ten-hd-and-more/5014/).

If you want to have channel picons (channel logos) for the channels in Ballarat, you might like to follow the instructions in "T2 / T3 / T4 FAQs, Tips & How to Guides > Request for updates for channel picons" on the Beyonwiz forum at:
http://www.beyonwiz.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=9355

You'll need to copy/paste the URL into your browser, because the IceTV forum software mangles URLs with ampersands in them.

If you create the picon setup as requested on the Beyonwiz forum, I can also provide the information IceTV needs to set up Ballarat IceTV.

Ballarat is 80 to 88 but only 81 and 88 have a guide. 

Quote from: daylesfordpep on March 07, 2016, 05:07:36 PM
Ballarat is 80 to 88 but only 81 and 88 have a guide.

Yes, that's probably right. Just do what I suggested.

Using a Topfield.  If the Guide doesn't show the programs and it doesn't show them under Win TV on the Time/Channel in the TV Guide on IceTV website I do not see how you can tape shows.  Surely IceTV need to propagate the shows on their end first.

As I can now stream catchup on my TVs for ABC, SBS, 7Two and Ten it starts to defeat the purpose of IceTV.  As I can't stream the Win programs I was going to continue but maybe its time to go. 

I guess it depends on how much you enjoy unavoidable adverts on commercial catchup, sometimes poor picture quality and deletion after two weeks?

Ice TV needs to know the LCN for each service in a region. Unfortunately they are not uniform and with the Regional Nine network affiliates there is a lack of consistency in the content of particular LCN. However, it is easier for older PVRs than newer one like the SKIPPA and Beyonwiz T series where the information required is much more complex.

Strangely the regulatory authority no longer publishes this information. So, IceTV needs the help of users in getting the necessary information.

Ian

Quote from: IanL-S on March 08, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
Ice TV needs to know the LCN for each service in a region. Unfortunately they are not uniform and with the Regional Nine network affiliates there is a lack of consistency in the content of particular LCN. However, it is easier for older PVRs than newer one like the SKIPPA and Beyonwiz T series where the information required is much more complex.

Strangely the regulatory authority no longer publishes this information. So, IceTV needs the help of users in getting the necessary information.

Ian

Well, if IceTv folks asked, I'm sure they'd be deluged with data...

I've got an EyeTV setup, and a Topfield so I could give two datasets, and it's not as if IceTV doesn't know where it's existing users are based, based on our billing addresses.

Not sure what data EyeTV needs.

However, it is possible the problem you are having with the Toppy is with the Topfield. Try resetting the service list (Menu, Installation, System Recovery, Reset Service List); then do a service scan. The Toppy can assign incorrect LCN to some services if you do not delete them first - this is caused by a bug in the duplicate service deletion module of the firmware.

Ian

Quote from: IanL-S on March 08, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
... Strangely the regulatory authority no longer publishes this information.  ...

Did the regulatory authority (ACMA) ever publish the triples data needed by the Beyonwiz/SKIPPA IceTV configuration?

FreeTV is the only source I know of for that data, and they haven't published an update since October 2013. FreeTV is, in its own words, "... the industry body representing Australia's commercial free-to-air television broadcasters."

Have cancelled my account.  Prl is right about the ads but I don't believe stations should be ignored revenue.  Both Supernatural and the Blacklist did not record the last two episodes from last year.  By the time you realise IceTV has failed it is too late to use catchup so I end up waiting 12 months until it hits a streaming service.  For an extra $2 on my IceTV subscription I can get an extra streaming service.  All IceTV offers is a recording service.  If it does not record or cannot show programs in my account it looses its value.  As they no longer reply to Facebook or add regularly to these concerns on the forums and have reduced phone support they don't deserve support.  Besides they already have 3 years membership written off last year.  IceTV Mark 2 needed to be better but I find it worse.

Quote from: daylesfordpep on March 07, 2016, 06:02:10 PM
Using a Topfield.  If the Guide doesn't show the programs and it doesn't show them under Win TV on the Time/Channel in the TV Guide on IceTV website I do not see how you can tape shows.  Surely IceTV need to propagate the shows on their end first.

This is correct, we do need to propagate the guide data across to the new channels, this was done for Ballarat on the 2nd of Feb, so as long as you have re-scanned you should be seeing the new information.

Quote from: furbies on March 08, 2016, 06:37:38 PM

Quote from: IanL-S on March 08, 2016, 06:17:03 PM
Ice TV needs to know the LCN for each service in a region. Unfortunately they are not uniform and with the Regional Nine network affiliates there is a lack of consistency in the content of particular LCN. However, it is easier for older PVRs than newer one like the SKIPPA and Beyonwiz T series where the information required is much more complex.

Strangely the regulatory authority no longer publishes this information. So, IceTV needs the help of users in getting the necessary information.

Ian

Well, if IceTv folks asked, I'm sure they'd be deluged with data...

I've got an EyeTV setup, and a Topfield so I could give two datasets, and it's not as if IceTV doesn't know where it's existing users are based, based on our billing addresses.

The setups for EyeTV and Topfield are quite easy on our end and were done quite quickly once the new channels went live, if you are not seeing them we will need to look into a bit further.

I have my guide settings region set to VIC - Bendigo. I do not see WIN HD and WIN Life as available Channels on IceTV website. Should I expect to?

Quote from: ausmkv on March 09, 2016, 10:18:59 PM
I have my guide settings region set to VIC - Bendigo. I do not see WIN HD and WIN Life as available Channels on IceTV website. Should I expect to?

Hmm, yes. It looks like something was a little wonky and is now fixed and those channels are showing up under your account.

Quote from: Daniel Hall at IceTV on March 09, 2016, 10:58:18 PM
Hmm, yes. It looks like something was a little wonky and is now fixed and those channels are showing up under your account.

Working as expected now - Thanks!

Ice TV needs to update the following WA regional EPG channels.


Will my channel numbers change?
Note that Gem will change from Channel 80 to Channel 82.

The following is a list of the channels that will be available from the 10th of March.

Channel 8 - WIN

Channel 80 - WINHD

Channel 81 - WIN

Channel 82 - Gem

Channel 83 - Go!

Channel 84 - Life

Channel 85 - Extra

Channel 88 - Go!


We Also have -

Channel 64 - 4ME

Channel 68 - Racing Channel

Still waiting to get this sorted.

The WIN Regional WA channels have been added/updated now.

WIN HD 80, LIFE 84, WIN 81 (and 8 ), GEM 82, GO! 83 (and 88) are in the system for:

WA - Albany
WA - Bunbury
WA - Mandurah
WA - Regional

All good now.
Thanks