Just wondering why the Melbourne IceTV guide is currently listing 7mate instead of 7HD and GEM instead of 9HD when these channels are yet to be launched and do not show up in the Windows 7 tv guide? I guess I could manually change them but if the TV stations themselves are still using the 'old' channels why is IceTV using the new names?
In the ACT, Prime HD appears to have stopped normal broadcasts. When the Davis Cup was on today, it was on 7mate, but Prime HD was black during the Davis Cup play, but was still showing ads. A bit strange, really.
Quote from: prl on September 18, 2010, 10:14:48 PM
In the ACT, Prime HD appears to have stopped normal broadcasts. When the Davis Cup was on today, it was on 7mate, but Prime HD was black during the Davis Cup play, but was still showing ads. A bit strange, really.
Showing ads to maintain their HD broadcasting obligations? Wunderbar!
Quote from: raymondjpg on September 19, 2010, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: prl on September 18, 2010, 10:14:48 PM
In the ACT, Prime HD appears to have stopped normal broadcasts. When the Davis Cup was on today, it was on 7mate, but Prime HD was black during the Davis Cup play, but was still showing ads. A bit strange, really.
Showing ads to maintain their HD broadcasting obligations? Wunderbar!
It was really very odd, because I'd have though that for now that if LCNs Prime HD and 7mate were being broadcast, then they would simply point to the same underlying stream PIDs.
In general, Prime could shut down HD broadcasts entirely for a few weeks and not risk breaching their HD quota, because the HD quotas are so weak that the commercial broadcasters have been transmitting more than double their quotas for a few years now -- Prime Television (Southern) broadcast 2456:45 hours of HD in 2009. The quotas are for less than 3 hours/day of native HD material (1040 hours/year).
Anyway, the real scandal of HD quotas IMO is that the ABC and SBS are allowed to upscale analog and SD to HD and include that in their quota.
Quote from: prl on September 19, 2010, 10:56:48 AM
Quote from: raymondjpg on September 19, 2010, 09:52:20 AM
Quote from: prl on September 18, 2010, 10:14:48 PM
In the ACT, Prime HD appears to have stopped normal broadcasts. When the Davis Cup was on today, it was on 7mate, but Prime HD was black during the Davis Cup play, but was still showing ads. A bit strange, really.
Showing ads to maintain their HD broadcasting obligations? Wunderbar!
It was really very odd, because I'd have though that for now that if LCNs Prime HD and 7mate were being broadcast, then they would simply point to the same underlying stream PIDs.
In general, Prime could shut down HD broadcasts entirely for a few weeks and not risk breaching their HD quota, because the HD quotas are so weak that the commercial broadcasters have been transmitting more than double their quotas for a few years now -- Prime Television (Southern) broadcast 2456:45 hours of HD in 2009. The quotas are for less than 3 hours/day of native HD material (1040 hours/year).
Anyway, the real scandal of HD quotas IMO is that the ABC and SBS are allowed to upscale analog and SD to HD and include that in their quota.
I guess it doesn't matter what the quotas are while (IMO) what is shown in true HD is largely a waste of bandwidth. There are some notable exceptions - particularly motor racing and cycling (for which I am grateful). I sometimes wonder if the advertisements aren't more worthy of HD treatment than program content.
Up until a year ago, both 7 and 9 were broadcasting material on HD that didn't directly parallel what was being shown on their SD channels. Introduction of bubblegum third SD channels seems to have been enough to satisfy audiences (and advertisers) such that the HD broadcasting requirements have almost become irrelevant to progress in TV broadcasting here. Is the demographic that is not interested in sport going to have to continue to make do with standard definition broadcasts?
While we have a Minister and Department preoccupied with other issues there doesn't appear to be much prospect for change, such as a requirement to use HD channels to their full capability for broadcasts other than sport, in the near future.
So, back to the original question ;)
Why do GEM and 7mate show up in the Melbourne EPG and not 7HD or 9HD when the new channels haven't even launched yet?
Today the IceTV EPG is showing GEM broadcasting a whole bunch of stuff that it isn't because channel 9 are still running 9HD not GEM......
Cheers,
Dan
Similar for Adelaide, not sure what channel mapping to use any more. I've posted a thread on the Adelaide "issue".
Quote from: tvmandan on September 19, 2010, 12:37:00 PM
So, back to the original question ;)
Why do GEM and 7mate show up in the Melbourne EPG and not 7HD or 9HD when the new channels haven't even launched yet?
Today the IceTV EPG is showing GEM broadcasting a whole bunch of stuff that it isn't because channel 9 are still running 9HD not GEM......
Cheers,
Dan
Ice seems to be trying to anticipate the changeover.
As far as I am concerned, while 7HD and 9HD were only programming what was on the SD channels, it is no great loss to see the EPGs for these channels dispensed with.
I do have an issue with EPG data for 7mate not showing yet in the Beyonwiz, but hopefully that will be resolved after the changeover.
Quote from: raymondjpg on September 19, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
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I do have an issue with EPG data for 7mate not showing yet in the Beyonwiz, but hopefully that will be resolved after the changeover.
I'm seeing it (ACT guide). In fact I deleted Prime HD from my Favourites lists yesterday and replaced it with 7mate because of the problems I noticed with the Davis Cup broadcasts.
I had to clear the EPG cache on my Beyonwiz and wait for the next IceTV EPG update to get IceTV's 7mate EPG data to display.
I'm not seeing GEM in my scanned services on my Beyonwiz yet (Black Mountain transmitters, Canberra), either from Dynamic Chanel Management, or after a rescan of Prime's channel.
Quote from: prl on September 19, 2010, 01:38:02 PM
Quote from: raymondjpg on September 19, 2010, 01:12:07 PM
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I do have an issue with EPG data for 7mate not showing yet in the Beyonwiz, but hopefully that will be resolved after the changeover.
I'm seeing it (ACT guide). In fact I deleted Prime HD from my Favourites lists yesterday and replaced it with 7mate because of the problems I noticed with the Davis Cup broadcasts.
I had to clear the EPG cache on my Beyonwiz and wait for the next IceTV EPG update to get IceTV's 7mate EPG data to display.
I'm not seeing GEM in my scanned services on my Beyonwiz yet (Black Mountain transmitters, Canberra), either from Dynamic Chanel Management, or after a rescan of Prime's channel.
I'll try clearing the cache, thanks.
9 is still broadcasting WIN SD, GO! and WIN HD from the Black Mountain transmitter. Not GEM, yet. Probably less risk of confusion than with 7 which is still broadcasting PRIME HD as well as 7mate.
>:( Well changing something that you rely on without letting your customers know what you are going to change is NOT ON, in my opinion.
I don't use ICE interactive I use WEBGUIDE so the shows I had set to record on 9HD and 7HD how are set to record on 7mate & GEM. This is also because the "My Account TV page" HAS ALSO changed without me changing it. :-X
The reason I record the HD channels over the SD channels is the 5.1 Sound that comes through my AV and speaker setup, not because of the video (not much difference on a 42" screen).
It's pure luck that I came back early from over seas yesterday and I thought I'd check my setup before I head off to Sydney on Tuesday, lucky I did !!!
Not a very happy customer, Gary
Quote from: Garyvx on September 19, 2010, 05:46:34 PM
>:( Well changing something that you rely on without letting your customers know what you are going to change is NOT ON, in my opinion.
I don't use ICE interactive I use WEBGUIDE so the shows I had set to record on 9HD and 7HD how are set to record on 7mate & GEM. This is also because the "My Account TV page" HAS ALSO changed without me changing it. :-X
The reason I record the HD channels over the SD channels is the 5.1 Sound that comes through my AV and speaker setup, not because of the video (not much difference on a 42" screen).
It's pure luck that I came back early from over seas yesterday and I thought I'd check my setup before I head off to Sydney on Tuesday, lucky I did !!!
Not a very happy customer, Gary
Are you getting 5.1 sound on HD channels in Melbourne?
It is at least 15 months since I have detected a surround sound broadcast in the ACT.
Looking at IceTV guide for Melbourne today and 7mate and GEM are still listed with a countdown to launch scheduled for both yet neither one is actually being broadcast yet so the program guide is completely incorrect! Wondering if and when this will be rectified so we get correct data and can schedule HD recordings on 7HD and 9HD?
We had alot of requests for people to 'see' the upcoming programming for GEM and 7-MATE, not to mention reasonable uncertainty as to what they would actually broadcast in the days leading up to respective launches. (ie loop tapes / graphics etc etc). It would be different and easier if these new channels were not using the 7-HD and 9-HD bandwidth.
This has obviously caused other problems though. We have just now changed the programming back to 'normal'. The 7 and 9 programming should now appear as before. The new channels' programming won't appear until only hours before they launch as a consequence. Apologies for the confusion.
Thanks for going back to normal BUT the 7mate and GEM are listed on my account page and I cannot select 7HD and 9HD guides to be sent to my PVR as LCN
Same here, I still see GEM and 7mate and NO 9HD or 7HD in either my accounts page or the guide.
Quote from: martymonster on September 20, 2010, 05:39:41 PM
Same here, I still see GEM and 7mate and NO 9HD or 7HD in either my accounts page or the guide.
In the ACT data, sending All LCNs will sent the GEM and 7mate data to all of GEM, WIN HD, Prime HD and 7mate. Or it would send it to GEM if the GEM LCN was being broadcast here.
As a followup to my previous message.
This change has completely screwed up my recordings.
MY Vista box did not record a movie last night that was scheduled to be recorded.
Covert Affairs is now not scheduled to be recorded either.
It was also recording CH7 (7mate) from 12:00 midday today until I stopped it at 18:00, it was going to record until midnight.
My BW machine is not as badly screwed up.
As the old saying goes
Not happy Jan :'(
Quote from: martymonster on September 20, 2010, 06:49:54 PM
As a followup to my previous message.
This change has completely screwed up my recordings.
MY Vista box did not record a movie last night that was scheduled to be recorded.
Covert Affairs is now not scheduled to be recorded either.
It was also recording CH7 (7mate) from 12:00 midday today until I stopped it at 18:00, it was going to record until midnight.
My BW machine is not as badly screwed up.
As the old saying goes
Not happy Jan :'(
Yep, my 7MC is also pretty messed up. I use the Media Centre to set the timers, and just use IceTV for the guide data. Its gone and made quite a mess, generally by deleting timers.
I'm googling about to try to see how to clear and then re-scan my timers list. No luck so far.
Cam
Cam - that will not make any difference.
ICE in there wisdom have removed 7DH and 9DH from the account page for Melbourne and have replaced them with GEM and 7mate.
At least that is what they have done to mine.
I have shows set they say 'prefer HD' , even though they are also on SD they still do not get set for recording by ICE.
Just re-checked my guide and they now seem to be getting some 7DH and 9HD programs to show up on GEM and 7mate.
Will see how this goes.
It is also sending shows to be recorded which I have not set, strange but not surprising.
The change they made should never have been done without proper testing.
This is beginning to be a major headache. We're now down to less than a week before the new channels begin broadcasting, yet none of their new shows are appearing in the guide because Ice has reverted to listing only the existing HD broadcasts (which are just simulcasts of the SD channels anyway).
My vote would go to listing the programming for 7mate and GEM, rather than 7HD and 9HD.
Nightmare here in Perth managed to miss Covert Affairs last night, Thanks :(
Did a rescan this morning and ended up with 7mate and 9HD popping up in the guide would have thought it would of been 7mate and Gem - total mess.
I have reverted my recordings to SD version in the hope that I won't miss any other shows
Quote from: vader1111 on September 21, 2010, 11:46:22 AM
... We're now down to less than a week before the new channels begin broadcasting, yet none of their new shows are appearing in the guide because Ice has reverted to listing only the existing HD broadcasts (which are just simulcasts of the SD channels anyway).
My vote would go to listing the programming for 7mate and GEM, rather than 7HD and 9HD.
I suspect that IceTV doesn't have information they can use for the GEM and 7mate guides yet. It normally takes a couple of weeks for them to get enough information into their system to start producing guides. And after the weekend, Seven and Nine HD won't be simulcasts of the SD channels. They won't exist.
Quote from: prl on September 21, 2010, 08:05:59 PM
Quote from: vader1111 on September 21, 2010, 11:46:22 AM
... We're now down to less than a week before the new channels begin broadcasting, yet none of their new shows are appearing in the guide because Ice has reverted to listing only the existing HD broadcasts (which are just simulcasts of the SD channels anyway).
My vote would go to listing the programming for 7mate and GEM, rather than 7HD and 9HD.
I suspect that IceTV doesn't have information they can use for the GEM and 7mate guides yet. It normally takes a couple of weeks for them to get enough information into their system to start producing guides. And after the weekend, Seven and Nine HD won't be simulcasts of the SD channels. They won't exist.
OzTam need 8 weeks notice to include the new channels in the ratings reports, but the TV Guide information for these channels is already available and has been since last week. You can find them here:
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/advance-guides (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/advance-guides)
So Gem starts in 22 hours time and the IceTV guide for Brisbane (according to my PVR and IceTV's iPhone application) is still showing Nine HD programs for the coming week. This means my PVR (MythTV) will try and record any HD show on 9HD Gem, and thus not what I really want to record.
It's bad enough that IceTV aren't giving us the guide for Community TV STILL (only 3 and a half months since they launched), and now the guide is missing for two more channels. I don't exactly know what/why I am paying these monkeys. Definitely won't be renewing my subscription when it expires next month.
I assume there is no change to make at my end. The spam e-mail I received from them yesterday made no mention of having to make any changes.
Quote from: vader1111 on September 22, 2010, 09:13:45 AM
Quote from: prl on September 21, 2010, 08:05:59 PM
Quote from: vader1111 on September 21, 2010, 11:46:22 AM
... We're now down to less than a week before the new channels begin broadcasting, yet none of their new shows are appearing in the guide because Ice has reverted to listing only the existing HD broadcasts (which are just simulcasts of the SD channels anyway).
My vote would go to listing the programming for 7mate and GEM, rather than 7HD and 9HD.
I suspect that IceTV doesn't have information they can use for the GEM and 7mate guides yet. It normally takes a couple of weeks for them to get enough information into their system to start producing guides. And after the weekend, Seven and Nine HD won't be simulcasts of the SD channels. They won't exist.
OzTam need 8 weeks notice to include the new channels in the ratings reports, but the TV Guide information for these channels is already available and has been since last week. You can find them here:
http://www.tvtonight.com.au/advance-guides (http://www.tvtonight.com.au/advance-guides)
But that isn't how IceTV gets its guides. The TV guides are copyright and that copyright is vigourously defended by its owners. IceTV uses a predictive scheme about prior broadcasting patterns and program information gleaned from other sources like station promos to assemble its guide. IceTV's guides, then, are their own and copyright to IceTV.
It's now less than 3 hours to GEM's first broadcast and 27 hours to the start of 7mate, yet the IceTV Guide still insists on maintaining the fiction of 9HD/WinHD and 7HD/PrimeHD for as far as the eye can see..
When will this farcical situation be brought to an end?
I think you can understand that given this channel is using a channel still under use that's it's not just a case of creating something new. Someone was always going to be affected by this. Our first action was ''s to bring in the new channels 7 days before so subscribers could get a good 'look' at what's upcoming. This affected alot of people on this very thread. We changed it back.
This morning we have changed the names and programming to reflect the new channels GEM and 7-MATE. Only we now hear Nine are not ready and have delayed the launch to 6am Sunday morning. So .... farcical? Please let channel Nine know that we agree with you.
Quote from: Mitch IceGuide on September 24, 2010, 01:24:10 PM
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This morning we have changed the names and programming to reflect the new channels GEM and 7-MATE. Only we now hear Nine are not ready and have delayed the launch to 6am Sunday morning. So .... farcical? Please let channel Nine know that we agree with you.
Yep, Nine's section of the NineMSN web pages now says that GEM will launch on Saturday (http://channelnine.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=7960634) 26 Sep. No time given. The page is undated, but the earliest comments on it are from yesterday (23 Sep) morning.
The same page also says that it will launch today on Fox. They can get a feed to Fox, but not to their own transmitters? ::)
Quote from: Mitch IceGuide on September 24, 2010, 01:24:10 PM
This morning we have changed the names and programming to reflect the new channels GEM and 7-MATE. Only we now hear Nine are not ready and have delayed the launch to 6am Sunday morning. So .... farcical? Please let channel Nine know that we agree with you.
Nobody will ever call Nein anything but farcical. They weren't planning on showing regular programs until Sunday anyway. They only had one reason for launching today - a puerile and childish desire to say "we did it first", by beating 7mate to air by 24 hours.
"Puerile and childish". Do love a good tautology. ;)
Now I am confused. I have all guides for 9, GEM and GO, but with 7 something doesn't seem right or I am missing something. On My Account I have ticked 7, 7TWO and 7Mate, with their LCNs to send. On my ICE guide on the EPG though I still have 70HD as well as 7Mate. They are showing different program. Is this right, did I just miss something.
Quote from: jcritch73 on September 26, 2010, 10:08:41 AM
Now I am confused. I have all guides for 9, GEM and GO, but with 7 something doesn't seem right or I am missing something. On My Account I have ticked 7, 7TWO and 7Mate, with their LCNs to send. On my ICE guide on the EPG though I still have 70HD as well as 7Mate. They are showing different program. Is this right, did I just miss something.
Currently (12:30PM)
7 and 70 HD are showing the X factor
72 is showing Don't Knock The Twist
73 Mate is showing Major Payne
The Ice web site is correct,
The FTA EPG is correct.
I'll have to wait 1/2 an our so to restore the Ice EPG.
But I won't be here to check it out.
My Ice account has every service checked as "all"
Edit, The IceTV EPG has shown that 70 HD is Major Payne, should be X Factor.
It may be there's something wrong in the delivery from Ice.
Seems like Mate has been associated with 70 as well as 73.
Where it should be 7 and 70 associated.
I have checked my account details and all channels are list expect 7HD. I have associated 7mate with 73 (three options available 70, 73 and all). Would appear Ice needs to add an additional channel for 7HD to enable it to be associated to LCN 70.
At this stage my PVR shows 7mate data for both 7HD (70) and 7mate (73).
Shane
Quote from: grampus on September 26, 2010, 12:43:33 PM
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Currently (12:30PM)
7 and 70 HD are showing the X factor
72 is showing Don't Knock The Twist
73 Mate is showing Major Payne
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70 "HD" and 73 7mate certainly won't both be HD if they are showing different material. 70 will simply be a clone of 7, both pointing at the same SD content streams. There isn't enough bandwidth to carry 2 HD and 2 SD content streams. There's only a total of about 23Mb/s available.
Quote from: prl on September 26, 2010, 03:20:11 PM
Quote from: grampus on September 26, 2010, 12:43:33 PM
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Currently (12:30PM)
7 and 70 HD are showing the X factor
72 is showing Don't Knock The Twist
73 Mate is showing Major Payne
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70 "HD" and 73 7mate certainly won't both be HD if they are showing different material. 70 will simply be a clone of 7, both pointing at the same SD content streams. There isn't enough bandwidth to carry 2 HD and 2 SD content streams. There's only a total of about 23Mb/s available.
aahh Peter, I'll just have to stop using old information.
Should have not said HD, just a hangover from when it was known as an HD channel. Whether it delivered it or not is another thing.
Currently LCN's 7, 70, 71 are the same show.
LCN 72, and 73 have different shows.
FTA EPG is correct.
IceTV is delivering the wrong information to us here in Melbourne at least.
It shows incorrectly that EPG info for LCN's 73 and 70 as having the same show. Which is incorrect
LCN 7 is correct
LCN 70 should have the same info as LCN 7.
LCN 71 is blank, probably no argument there, but if it was there, it should be the same as LCN 7, 70.
LCN 72 is correct.
LCN 73 is correct.
What I am saying is that if there is going to be an EPG delivered for LCN, 70, then it should at least be correct.
In case there are any queries re rescanning etc,
I deleted all services, then did a full rescan.
The first delete was superfluous. nevertheless, may as well go the full 9 yards.
Ok, I had the same issues (70 had 7 programs showing with 7Mate EPG and 73 (7Mate) was blank) and have resolved it as such.
I did partial scan on ch6 & ch8 (Network 7 and 9) on my Beyonwiz, and then deletd channels so that I was only left with :
7 - 7 Digital
72 - 7Two
73 - 7Mate
9 - Nine Digital
90 - Gem
99 - Go
After deleting the other channels I did an Ice EPG purge and reload, which now has everything working again.
I hope that this helps anyone else with this issue.
Hi ICE,
I have a number of 7mate timers setup already by ICE, but they were set for 70, not 73. As you probably know (now!) is that 7 ditched 70 (making it a copy of 7) and 73 is the new mate channel... which means the timers are set for the wrong channel. I have changed my account information from "all" to 73, but you should probably remove 70 now from the all option, as timers appear to be set for the first channel in the "all" list.
Regards
Quote from: tonymy01 on September 27, 2010, 08:22:42 PM
Hi ICE,
I have a number of 7mate timers setup already by ICE, but they were set for 70, not 73. As you probably know (now!) is that 7 ditched 70 (making it a copy of 7) and 73 is the new mate channel... which means the timers are set for the wrong channel. I have changed my account information from "all" to 73, but you should probably remove 70 now from the all option, as timers appear to be set for the first channel in the "all" list.
Regards
me three.
I had Boston Legal on 7Mate (73) scheduled.
But the timer turned up on 70 on my Bwiz.
I don't think I should have to go into my Ice options to resolve the issue, but I guess I will.
It appears that there was an error in the channel configuration, we should not have had 70 & 73 associated with 7mate, this has been corrected (also for regional areas 60 & 63 were configured rather than just 60). I apologise for the inconvenience hopefully everything will be fine from now.
Quote from: Daniel Drysdale at IceTV on September 28, 2010, 09:41:16 AM
It appears that there was an error in the channel configuration, we should not have had 70 & 73 associated with 7mate, this has been corrected (also for regional areas 60 & 63 were configured rather than just 60). I apologise for the inconvenience hopefully everything will be fine from now.
Thankee :)