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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2008, 12:48:33 PM »
How long does it usually take for the court to render a a decision ???

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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2008, 12:51:29 PM »
How long does it usually take for the court to render a a decision ???

Many months.

I've added yesterday's hearing to my blog BTW: www.vogelross.com.au/vrblog

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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #47 on: October 20, 2008, 10:04:42 AM »
For those interested, a copy of the High Court transcripts from last week's Appeal can be read here;

http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/HCATrans/2008/356.html

We remain confident in our position and what transpired in court last week in Canberra. We will notify everyone as soon as there is some news to share regarding the appeal, however it is anyone's guess as to how long it may take the judges to come to a decision.

The original judgment took around 8 months, while the appeal only took 2-3 months.

We thank everyone once again for their continued support.

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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #48 on: October 20, 2008, 10:19:18 AM »
Best of luck.   I really hope you argued your case well, reading the past transcripts I was a bit worried that you weren't arguing the point with the right "spin" (based on some great IP/copyright websites I have read since your case started about how killing competition and then withholding information is not what copyright is all about).   I suppose it depends on what point you have to defend which is a shame, the judges really need the full picture about what is going on here and I just don't think this happens in the court environment.
It is a shame that government broadcast licencing doesn't include the provision for (free?) public access to time & title schedules.. mind you, this might not help you as they may argue that it is free, and because you are charging for it, you are doing something wrong.. but I think the spin should always be that you are value adding on top of the standard time & title, including actor/genre flags, consistent titles (usually :-)), repeat flags, classification information, flagging favourite shows, displaying the data in useful environments for both the mobile environment, the iphone app, the widget and the web etc etc etc etc etc.

I can't believe Nine is spinning the revenue loss due to advert skipping all over again.    EPG is never about advert skipping, it is about providing a convenient scheme to know when your favourite shows are on.   Will people advert skip because of it, sure, but then people have been advert skipping for as long as TV has been around, by walking out the room during those monotonous things, or FF with the VCR in the 80s-2000s, or flicking to ABC during those times etc.
This is the modern times, people don't work 9-5 so much these days, and can't watch their favourite shows at the broadcast times, so the only way of solving this is to know when the show is starting to "timeshift" the show to a later time/date.    We can do this without ICE or EPG, but being busy times for most, we don't always have the time to go thru the printed guide to find our shows (ok, this now extends to the lame EIT broadcasted info and YourTV, all of which are a step in the right direction but still not good enough).
I really sincerely hope the outcome is better than the current situation you have of putting "N/A Channel Nine" for every second entry in the EPG.
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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #49 on: October 27, 2008, 11:24:29 AM »
Can someone please decipher the legal mumbo jumbo here:  http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/HCATrans/2008/358.html  and give a summary on how the court case went on day 2?
Mr Vogel's blog didn't have his usual quick summary of the days proceedings either last time I checked.   
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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #50 on: October 27, 2008, 12:00:58 PM »
Can someone please decipher the legal mumbo jumbo here:  http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/other/HCATrans/2008/358.html  and give a summary on how the court case went on day 2?
Mr Vogel's blog didn't have his usual quick summary of the days proceedings either last time I checked.   
Regards

My summary of day two is here:
http://vogelross.com.au/vrblog/?p=36

Peter Vogel

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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #51 on: October 27, 2008, 12:12:53 PM »
Hmm, that is strange, I did read that page.  Nothing appears conclusive, and thus for some reason I read your summary as taking place after the proceedings of day 1, with day 2 not summarised yet due to nothing really eventuating day 2 it appears :-)
I guess looking at your blog, you only describe the proceedings of the high court case in one discussion, when I thought it was going to be a day by day blow of the court progress.
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Re: Channel 9 appeal judgment day today
« Reply #52 on: October 27, 2008, 12:29:34 PM »
Day 1 summary is here http://vogelross.com.au/vrblog/?p=33

Day 2 is here: http://vogelross.com.au/vrblog/?p=36

Historically, judgements of the Full Bench take between 3-6 months.

Peter Vogel


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